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TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 5 @ 4:03 PM ET
Maybe G needs a playmaker on his wing as he's not such a bad sniper himself
- JoeRussomanno


Agree that G's shot is very underrated (tho might not be for long).

I think they both need to have the puck tho. As it stands now I'd rather see Schenn on G's wing. At some point I'd like Read to be given more of a shot in the Top 6.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 5 @ 4:04 PM ET
So would trading Couturier / Vorachek, Read, Coburn or Mesz / Cousins or Laughton / and a 1st for Ryan or Nash.

Personally, I think they weaken the team even doing Vorachek, Mes or Read and a pick for Ryan. At that point either you're a two line team or have a worse D than we had 2 years ago, when everyone said we had to upgrade the D.

- TheGreat28

I'm not a proponent of getting Ryan, Nash, or Weber.

Just saying. Never was....never have been. So yeah...
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 4:05 PM ET
Agree that G's shot is very underrated (tho might not be for long).

I think they both need to have the puck tho. As it stands now I'd rather see Schenn on G's wing. At some point I'd like Read to be given more of a shot in the Top 6.

- TheGreat28

Seem to remember people saying same for Jagr, worked allright having him on line with G.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 4:05 PM ET
I'm not a proponent of getting Ryan, Nash, or Weber.

Just saying. Never was....never have been. So yeah...

- Giroux_Is_God

explain
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 5 @ 4:05 PM ET
I like it -- do the flyers have any interest in Semin??
- flyersfan51

Allegedly, yes
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 5 @ 4:07 PM ET
Allegedly, yes
- Giroux_Is_God


That's not known. Just a couple of us feel like it would be good move (depending on the cost).
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 4:08 PM ET
That's not known. Just a couple of us feel like it would be good move (depending on the cost).
- bradleyc4

Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 5 @ 4:13 PM ET
explain
- JoeRussomanno

Let me rephrase: I'm not a proponent of trading half of the core for Nash, Ryan, or Weber.

Never was. Never have been.

My mindset is this (let's concentrate on Weber because...well...Nash and Ryan shouldn't need to be discussed....): Say we trade Mez, Czech, Read, and 2 firsts. I don't even know if that's enough to get the guy, first off. So that is the "at least" level. Anything higher would most likely include Brayden or Cooter. If either of them go anywhere, I will find Homer and I will throttle him.

Provided I get past security.

Moving on.

If we go back to that "at least" offer....people say that "Weber is the kind of player that brings championships". I agree. I agree wholeheartedly. HOWEVER. Would he bring us a championship without Czech, Mez, or Read? Let alone those 2 firsts for bolstering us in the future. I'm not too sure.

Basically, I don't want to see half the team traded for Weber because of 2 reasons.

1. In emphatically plugging the hole on D, we open up other holes up front
2. I think the Flyers have a better chance to host a parade with Czech, Mez, and Read than they do with Weber.

Now, next offseason, when Kimmo comes off the books and we already have the space we do now- then it's all hands on deck. 120+ mil.

I think I've explained
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 5 @ 4:14 PM ET
That's not known. Just a couple of us feel like it would be good move (depending on the cost).
- bradleyc4

Oh..... I thought I saw a tweet of some sort that said management was interested....

Hmmmm....

EDIT: Circa pg 26 at about 3:10 today-

"Manayunk Mike is tweeted 2 minutes ago

'Amazingly, I've been told #flyers have "legit" interest in Alex Semin. Probably doesn't happen, but PHI considering all options right now.'"
Jimmygrazz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 04.23.2010

Jul 5 @ 4:16 PM ET
Michael Richards ‏@MRichie_10

Hey @AnzeKopitar, I know you have the cup today. You mind throwing it in some water and tell me if it floats? Just trying to plan my day,thx

OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 5 @ 4:17 PM ET
Oh..... I thought I saw a tweet of some sort that said management was interested....

Hmmmm....

EDIT: Circa pg 26 at about 3:10 today-

"Manayunk Mike is tweeted 2 minutes ago

'Amazingly, I've been told #flyers have "legit" interest in Alex Semin. Probably doesn't happen, but PHI considering all options right now.'"

- Giroux_Is_God


ya that doesn't count. perhaps less reputable than eklund.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 4:17 PM ET
Let me rephrase: I'm not a proponent of trading half of the core for Nash, Ryan, or Weber.

Never was. Never have been.

My mindset is this (let's concentrate on Weber because...well...Nash and Ryan shouldn't need to be discussed....): Say we trade Mez, Czech, Read, and 2 firsts. I don't even know if that's enough to get the guy, first off. So that is the "at least" level. Anything higher would most likely include Brayden or Cooter. If either of them go anywhere, I will find Homer and I will throttle him.

Provided I get past security.

Moving on.

If we go back to that "at least" offer....people say that "Weber is the kind of player that brings championships". I agree. I agree wholeheartedly. HOWEVER. Would he bring us a championship without Czech, Mez, or Read? Let alone those 2 firsts for bolstering us in the future. I'm not too sure.

Basically, I don't want to see half the team traded for Weber because of 2 reasons.

1. In emphatically plugging the hole on D, we open up other holes up front
2. I think the Flyers have a better chance to host a parade with Czech, Mez, and Read than they do with Weber.

Now, next offseason, when Kimmo comes off the books and we already have the space we do now- then it's all hands on deck. 120+ mil.

I think I've explained

- Giroux_Is_God

All I can tell you is, Weber is such a rare player that if you could trade Jake, Mez, Read and picks, you do it. Look what it did for the Flyers when they made a similar move for Pronger and he was past his prime. Weber would still have Giroux, Hartnell, Couturier, Briere, Simmonds and Schenn upfront. As for the d you basically just replaced Mez with Weber now look at how your d lines up. That's a pretty good team if you ask me. It's definitely better than the one we got within two wins of a cup as well.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 5 @ 4:18 PM ET
ya that doesn't count. perhaps less reputable than eklund.
- OrangeBlack27


this
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 4:18 PM ET
Oh..... I thought I saw a tweet of some sort that said management was interested....

Hmmmm....

EDIT: Circa pg 26 at about 3:10 today-

"Manayunk Mike is tweeted 2 minutes ago

'Amazingly, I've been told #flyers have "legit" interest in Alex Semin. Probably doesn't happen, but PHI considering all options right now.'"

- Giroux_Is_God

Relax, it's just good business to be reasonably interested in any and all Free agents.
Pat MaGroin
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kensington, PA
Joined: 06.03.2007

Jul 5 @ 4:21 PM ET
That's not known. Just a couple of us feel like it would be good move (depending on the cost).
- bradleyc4


Perhaps 1yr @ 5 million
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 5 @ 4:21 PM ET
this
- bradleyc4


til it gets deleted
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 4:21 PM ET
til it gets deleted
- OrangeBlack27

Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 5 @ 4:21 PM ET
All I can tell you is, Weber is such a rare player that if you could trade Jake, Mez, Read and picks, you do it. Look what it did for the Flyers when they made a similar move for Pronger and he was past his prime. Weber would still have Giroux, Hartnell, Couturier, Briere, Simmonds and Schenn upfront. As for the d you basically just replaced Mez with Weber now look at how your d lines up. That's a pretty good team if you ask me. It's definitely better than the one we got within two wins of a cup as well.
- JoeRussomanno

I definitely see where you're coming from. I'm not gonna say you're wrong in the slightest. At all. Just my opinion
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 5 @ 4:23 PM ET
ya that doesn't count. perhaps less reputable than eklund.
- OrangeBlack27

Ah. Wasn't aware of this. I take it back then....
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 5 @ 4:23 PM ET
til it gets deleted
- OrangeBlack27

shifty28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 03.10.2012

Jul 5 @ 4:23 PM ET
All I can tell you is, Weber is such a rare player that if you could trade Jake, Mez, Read and picks, you do it. Look what it did for the Flyers when they made a similar move for Pronger and he was past his prime. Weber would still have Giroux, Hartnell, Couturier, Briere, Simmonds and Schenn upfront. As for the d you basically just replaced Mez with Weber now look at how your d lines up. That's a pretty good team if you ask me. It's definitely better than the one we got within two wins of a cup as well.
- JoeRussomanno



I agree
The_Universe
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Soviet Russia
Joined: 02.11.2012

Jul 5 @ 4:24 PM ET
omg they cant loose him lol
- Philly1980


It's lose.
bgratch
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.17.2010

Jul 5 @ 4:26 PM ET
Maybe G needs a playmaker on his wing as he's not such a bad sniper himself
- JoeRussomanno


Thought the same thing myself. Voracek would be good up there.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 5 @ 4:27 PM ET

Thought the same thing myself. Voracek would be good up there.

- bgratch

Jagr 2.0?
bgratch
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.17.2010

Jul 5 @ 4:31 PM ET
Jagr 2.0?
- JoeRussomanno



Wasn't that one of the many accolades that was bestowed upon Jagr this year? Maturing Voracek into a similar mode of himself?

I like the Fedotenko move today. He's versatile and comes up big in the clutch. I could see him having a Talbot like season next year.
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