What an original line.
- S Kaspar Rollins

What ever dude. Why don't you move along instead of continually slamming the Feaster and Flames. It sucks have a hometown troll.

You're just lying to yourself, man. Go buy a DVD of the '89 SC team or settle for the '04 cup run, and watch those because that's the closest the Flames will be for a LONG time.
- TextingSources24/7

You come in here and slap a couple one liners without any justification and think that's an argument.

Back to the drawing board bro...

What ever dude. Why don't you move along instead of continually slamming the Feaster and Flames. It sucks have a hometown troll.
- KABLOOEY

I am not a troll. I troll other teams, yes, but never my own. Everything I say about the Flames I honestly believe.

Feel free to tell me how trading JBO is easy, how Wideman is worth less than 4.5 million, how Jankowski is a guaranteed bust etc etc etc....


GO!
- The-Dalai-Lama

Exactly! Funny how everyone slams the Jankowski pick when most probably know nothing about him. It's a coin toss for sure but to say he's already a bust is just bunk.

Better yet, why they HAVE to trade JBo. His contract is horrendous, no one denies this, but he does play a lot of minutes and I don't buy that you just slot Wideman in to replace him. Basically there's no reason to do it that I see, unless he's worth much more than media reports would have you believe.
- S Kaspar Rollins

I agree that's exactly what I said. Trading that contract is a tough job, not only to find someone to take his contract, but to find somewhere he is willing to go, while at the same time getting a worthwhile without leaving a huge hole in the defence...sounds easy!

I am not a troll. I troll other teams, yes, but never my own. Everything I say about the Flames I honestly believe.
- S Kaspar Rollins

Which also makes him the only Flames fan that makes any sense around here

Exactly! Funny how everyone slams the Jankowski pick when most probably know nothing about him. It's a coin toss for sure but to say he's already a bust is just bunk.
- KABLOOEY

People slamming Jankowski on here are dumb. Guaranteed nobody has ever seen him play. It's just ignorance.

Exactly! Funny how everyone slams the Jankowski pick when most probably know nothing about him. It's a coin toss for sure but to say he's already a bust is just bunk.
- KABLOOEY

I'm done arguing about it, I personally remain not a fan of the pick but obviously I can't decisively say one way or another and everyone has to wait 2-3 years at least to be proven one way or another.

Which also makes him the only Flames fan that makes any sense around here
- BigDre

We could go on and on about rebuild this, don't rebuild, blah blah blah... But I can see the justification in Feasters moves. I'm not just going to sit here and bash him because that's the cool thing to do. People can at least put a little thought into it.

Feel free to tell me how trading JBO is easy, how Wideman is worth less than 4.5 million, how Jankowski is a guaranteed bust etc etc etc....


GO!
- The-Dalai-Lama

1. Take back an equally poopty contract plus a 2nd round pick (or other, depending on how bad the contract is).
2. Easy, he took the deal right off the bat. Means he was overpaid and would have taken less to play on a better team.
3. The odds are heavily against Jankowski - never said he was a guaranteed bust.

others?

I'm done arguing about it, I personally remain not a fan of the pick but obviously I can't decisively say one way or another and everyone has to wait 2-3 years at least to be proven one way or another.
- S Kaspar Rollins

Exactly. Also, how Sieloff turns out must work into the final equation. Being so impressed with Jankowski allowed the Flames to take him as well.

1. Take back an equally poopty contract plus a 2nd round pick (or other, depending on how bad the contract is).
2. Easy, he took the deal right off the bat. Means he was overpaid and would have taken less to play on a better team.
3. The odds are heavily against Jankowski - never said he was a guaranteed bust.

others?
- BigDre

You're forgetting that Wideman was a pending free agent and would have certainly received a deal equal to or worse than that on July 1. You can't assume he would have taken less to be on a better team - maybe he would have but not all players do that. I wasn't a fan of the Wideman deal, mainly because it might end up being awful in 2-3 years (as many free agent deals are) but I don't buy that they "overpaid.

As for number 1, that would be an awful deal, why would that be worth it?

1. Take back an equally poopty contract plus a 2nd round pick (or other, depending on how bad the contract is). What would be the point in doing this? If the Flames are going to have someone who is overpaid I would at least rather have someone that is useful, which Bouwmeester definitely is. Getting someone who makes 5 million who is absolutely useless is dumb. Also, that draft pick is a pure guess.
2. Easy, he took the deal right off the bat. Means he was overpaid and would have taken less to play on a better team. Also a pure guess. He made 4.5 million last year and was tenth in d-men scoring. You are foolish to believe he wouldn't have received at LEAST equal but probably more in his next contract. Again I didn't say they didn't over pay, but it wasn't by much, and they filled a big need on this team.
3. The odds are heavily against Jankowski - never said he was a guaranteed bust. Fair enough, they also drafted Patrick Seiloff by being able to move down and still get their guy Jankowski. So in the end, both of those prospects need to be graded before you can judge whether the Flames 2012 draft was successful.

others?
- BigDre

You're forgetting that Wideman was a pending free agent and would have certainly received a deal equal to or worse than that on July 1. You can't assume he would have taken less to be on a better team - maybe he would have but not all players do that.

As for number 1, that would be an awful deal, why would that be worth it?
- S Kaspar Rollins

Not forgetting that he was pending at all... in fact that's the insult to the injury. Christ's sake Feaster traded for his rights and then overpaid him... why not just wait til he's UFA and make the offer? -i'll give you a hint: no one would give him 4.5mil = overpaid. Maybe I'm wrong here, but that sounds like a stupid deal on Feasters part.

I should have qualified the JBO piece - you're looking to get someone back with a bad contract which would expire in a year or two (from two years ago when JBO had 4 years left) and get maybe a prospect or pick in return. JBO wouldn't fit into the rebuild and you need to maximize the return for him.

[quote=The-Dalai-Lama]
Meh - you asked for my opinion - I don't recall doing the same. Plus my thoughts are based on what Feaster should have done since he became GM - which is to blow the team up.

I don't care that you disagree, but forget about converting me to thinking that the Lames are on the right path...

They're starting to look like the Leafs

Meh - you asked for my opinion - I don't recall doing the same. Plus my thoughts are based on what Feaster should have done since he became GM - which is to blow the team up.

I don't care that you disagree, but forget about converting me to thinking that the Lames are on the right path...

They're starting to look like the Leafs
- BigDre

Well there it is...you must be right.

Well there it is...you must be right.
- KABLOOEY

canucks just signed Derek Joslin.

suck on that b!tches!!!!!

it's well known that minny turned their attention to suter once they found out they were out of the joslin sweepstakes.

#backtothescf

Not forgetting that he was pending at all... in fact that's the insult to the injury. Christ's sake Feaster traded for his rights and then overpaid him... why not just wait til he's UFA and make the offer? -i'll give you a hint: no one would give him 4.5mil = overpaid. Maybe I'm wrong here, but that sounds like a stupid deal on Feasters part.

I should have qualified the JBO piece - you're looking to get someone back with a bad contract which would expire in a year or two (from two years ago when JBO had 4 years left) and get maybe a prospect or pick in return. JBO wouldn't fit into the rebuild and you need to maximize the return for him.
- BigDre

No, he traded for his rights simply to avoid competition from other teams, and not from the monetary side. It's the same thing they did with JBo - maybe they saved, at best, like 300k AAV on that deal.

I disagree completely on JBo - you'll have to qualify exactly what kind of prospect or pick. If its just a 2nd like with Visnovsky, or some marginal prospect it's not worth it.

No, he traded for his rights simply to avoid competition from other teams, and not from the monetary side. It's the same thing they did with JBo - maybe they saved, at best, like 300k AAV on that deal.

I disagree completely on JBo - you'll have to qualify exactly what kind of prospect or pick. If its just a 2nd like with Visnovsky, or some marginal prospect it's not worth it.
- S Kaspar Rollins

He doesn't want your opinion man.

Meh - you asked for my opinion - I don't recall doing the same. Plus my thoughts are based on what Feaster should have done since he became GM - which is to blow the team up.

I don't care that you disagree, but forget about converting me to thinking that the Lames are on the right path...

They're starting to look like the Leafs
- BigDre

Again, the best defense that can be made for Feaster on the rebuilding side is that it's entirely possible he is not in control of such a decision. Look at teams that have actually done it and show me times where they actually chose to rebuild while still stuck in a limbo state, as opposed to the basement and/or severe financial trouble.

Nice job responding to his points (I agree with you but don't quite use the same logic).
- S Kaspar Rollins

Why should I respond to his rose-colored glasses "points."

My thoughts on Feaster as a GM have already been said.

Meh - you asked for my opinion - I don't recall doing the same. Plus my thoughts are based on what Feaster should have done since he became GM - which is to blow the team up.

I don't care that you disagree, but forget about converting me to thinking that the Lames are on the right path...

They're starting to look like the Leafs
- BigDre

Fair enough dude. I'm just giving you my opinion because I feel its a lot easier to sit and chirp from outside looking in.

You wanna talk some smack I will reply.

Never mind the fact this is the first offseason Feaster hasn't been totally weighed down (no pun intended) by Sutter's remaining garbage.

No, he traded for his rights simply to avoid competition from other teams, and not from the monetary side. It's the same thing they did with JBo - maybe they saved, at best, like 300k AAV on that deal.

I disagree completely on JBo - you'll have to qualify exactly what kind of prospect or pick. If its just a 2nd like with Visnovsky, or some marginal prospect it's not worth it.
- S Kaspar Rollins

I think we disagree on the bolded part - whatevs.

If it was for Visnovsky I probably would say at least and 2nd and a 3rd. The underlying need for a rebuild is time and prospects. I'm not going to go through a whole bunch of possible scenarios on which prospect or pick, but the fundamental point is to gather as much potential in picks as you can and develop it or trade it for appropriate prospects.

The exchange of bodies is a wash - what you get back is picks and salary room to take back short bad term contracts while your team sucks for a while but then gets better picks as a result... it's not just the first overall, its 1 , 31, 61, 91 instead of 14, 44, 74, 104. That difference can make an impact over two years.

Feel free to tell me how trading JBO is easy, how Wideman is worth less than 4.5 million, how Jankowski is a guaranteed bust etc etc etc....


GO!
- The-Dalai-Lama

Trading Jbo is not easy

Wideman is worth less then 4.5 mil when comparing his stats to MA Bergeron

MAB 465GP 81G 226P
Wideman 535GP 67G 251P

Granted Wideman can skate backwards so maybe that is worth 3 mil.

Jankowski is not a guranteed bust, but he also could have been drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round instead of wasting a 1st on him.