It was suggested by Fehr but not agreed upon. I think that if there is a lockout, it lasts until November or December and then they would either come to a new agreement or agree to operate under the old CBA so that they don't lose an entire season.
- Two_For_Truth

Does anyone even remember that the NBA didn't start on time?

In other news, I informed my local bar I'd be willing to continue drinking there if they stopped charging me.
- Atomic Wedgie

And?

Does anyone even remember the NBA?
- Atomic Wedgie

Nice way to start off the posturing by Fehr, get the fans on their side early, they have no intentions of this happening, ever.
- eihcnerf

I'll take the players side any day of the week if it's they get locked out. If the greedy players strike, then (frank) them. Owners, though using the tools handed out to them after the last lockout, sure don't seem to have learned any major lessons. I don't know too many people that wouldn't take a crazy amount of money if offered. (frank) EVERYBODY BIG! EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!

Does anyone even remember that the NBA didn't start on time?
- Atomic Wedgie

They played this year?

It'll be interesting. They have been warning them about these super long deals. And what's with the Parise and Suter deals finishing off with 1 or 2 million? I thought those were stopped after the Kovalchuk fiasco?
- weirdoh

I haven't seen the yearly breakdown yet...did they actually do that for these as well? pathetic.

Admittingly...I'm a little shaken up right now as I got called an bumhole by bradjc who did not like me saying to a NJ Devils fan that no, the devils should not go the route the flames have gone and that's continuously adding middle of the pack players and try to just make the playoffs vs. actually winning.

I don't think any franchises are losing quite that much. They'd be bankrupt already. considering a small-market team has a net worth of around 150 million bucks, I doubt they'd be in business long if they were losing almost a third of their net worth every year.

Also, I bet the fixed costs for a franchise - even once you've pruned it back as far as you can - run about 20-30 million a year.

15-20 for the lease on the building. 5 mil for management, coaches, lawyers, and essential staff. Maybe a couple more for miscellaneous costs.
- Leeman4Gilmour

nobody associated with the NHL on an NHL contract gets paid when there is no hockey - ie coaches, management, trainers etc. They are all contractual.

and yes, teams were losing that much money - the numbers in the Forbes list are AFTER revenue sharing is included, so when it says Phoenix loses $24.4M, deduct another $15M or so for their revenue sharing they receive from the Leafs....er League...

You're assuming that revenue will go to 0 if they have a lockout which isn't the case. Revenue is nice but without appropriate costs to generate that revenue, it's a waste of time.

The latest CBA was written up underestimating how strong the revenues would be. The NHL generated far more revenue then they had expected to generate when the last lockout occurred. Because of the spike in revenue, the players percentage, being at 57%, forced the cap to go far higher than anybody had anticipated. If they adjust the percentage the players get in revenue, they create a more suitable environment for their weaker franchises.

There are teams losing money and playing hockey costs them a lot more money than it earns them. Having a lockout to stop the bleeding and reduce the future bleeding is in their best interest whether you want to believe it or not.
- Two_For_Truth

The hard salary cap and the revenue sharing was supposed to help this. With the owners being the greedy (frank)s they are, and by trying to circumvent the cap every 2nd deal, that they themselves wanted created, they have undone their own (frank)ing saving grace and (frank)ed themselves. I hope the players take them to the shed.

I haven't seen the yearly breakdown yet...did they actually do that for these as well? pathetic.

Admittingly...I'm a little shaken up right now as I got called an bumhole by bradjc who did not like me saying to a NJ Devils fan that no, the devils should not go the route the flames have gone and that's continuously adding middle of the pack players and try to just make the playoffs vs. actually winning.
- Juice

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1044

Does anyone even remember that the NBA didn't start on time?
- Atomic Wedgie

A very comparable situation indeed.

The hard salary cap and the revenue sharing was supposed to help this. With the owners being the greedy (frank)s they are, and by trying to circumvent the cap every 2nd deal, that they themselves wanted created, they have undone their own (frank)ing saving grace and (frank)ed themselves. I hope the players take them to the shed.
- eihcnerf

Dude...you honestly need to stop talking to yourself.

EDIT: On second thought...I'm confused.

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1044
- Big_Lightnin

Just ridiculous.

I haven't seen the yearly breakdown yet...did they actually do that for these as well? pathetic.

Admittingly...I'm a little shaken up right now as I got called an bumhole by bradjc who did not like me saying to a NJ Devils fan that no, the devils should not go the route the flames have gone and that's continuously adding middle of the pack players and try to just make the playoffs vs. actually winning.
- Juice

2012-13: $12,000,000

2013-14: $12,000,000

2014-15: $11,000,000

2015-16: $9,000,000

2016-17: $9,000,000

2017-18: $9,000,000

2018-19: $9,000,000

2019-20: $9,000,000

2020-21: $8,000,000

2021-22: $6,000,000

2022-23: $2,000,000

2023-24: $1,000,000

2024-25: $1,000,000


http://content.usatoday.c...day-796679/1#.T_Ri3pHheJU

It was inline hockey.

http://sportsillustrated....003/08/08/hasek_czech_ap/

The guy was in the hospital for 3 days.
- Cfser

80years for assault

The hard salary cap and the revenue sharing was supposed to help this. With the owners being the greedy (frank)s they are, and by trying to circumvent the cap every 2nd deal, that they themselves wanted created, they have undone their own (frank)ing saving grace and (frank)ed themselves. I hope the players take them to the shed.
- eihcnerf

I agree with this statement.

I'll take the players side any day of the week if it's they get locked out. If the greedy players strike, then (frank) them. Owners, though using the tools handed out to them after the last lockout, sure don't seem to have learned any major lessons. I don't know too many people that wouldn't take a crazy amount of money if offered. (frank) EVERYBODY BIG! EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!
- weirdoh

I agree, and the owners have no legs to stand on really, the best thing that happens to them is they take a quick in out from the players, accept it, and sign the (frank)ing deal. They have a huge US Tv deal to consider this time, the pie is much bigger to divide as well, more money, more problems, to sort out anyways.

It'll be interesting. They have been warning them about these super long deals. And what's with the Parise and Suter deals finishing off with 1 or 2 million? I thought those were stopped after the Kovalchuk fiasco?
- weirdoh

nah just have to keep the percentage at a certain point. Kovi' still has some $1M years, but the last 2 years are $3 and $4M. Of course, that was ADDED to the total, to bring the cap hit up a bit, and is money than will never be paid.

The hard salary cap and the revenue sharing was supposed to help this. With the owners being the greedy (frank)s they are, and by trying to circumvent the cap every 2nd deal, that they themselves wanted created, they have undone their own (frank)ing saving grace and (frank)ed themselves. I hope the players take them to the shed.
- eihcnerf

The salary cap and the revenue sharing isn't what screwed things up. It was the fact that the players are getting 57% of the revenue and the revenue skyrocketed. I don't think anybody expected the NHL to come back as hard and as strong as it has. If they adjust the percentage of revenue the players get, they adjust the cap floor and the cap ceiling and fix what is throwing half of the league out of whack.

I think they could also benefit from a system that allows teams to go over the salary cap ceiling by a maximum of 10% and force offending teams to pay a dollar for dollar (or more) luxury tax with that money going to revenue sharing.

The hard salary cap and the revenue sharing was supposed to help this. With the owners being the greedy (frank)s they are, and by trying to circumvent the cap every 2nd deal, that they themselves wanted created, they have undone their own (frank)ing saving grace and (frank)ed themselves. I hope the players take them to the shed.
- eihcnerf

I'm really, really confident that this time, the owners will get it right.

Or maybe the 2018-19 CBA.

But if not then, they will be sure to get it right after the 2024 lockout.

Maybe.

Just ridiculous.
- Juice

ya, I sure bet after making $75M he fully intends to play for $1M a year, when the league minimum then will probably be $1.4

I think Parise's is worse - an extra $1M year.

I agree, and the owners have no legs to stand on really, the best thing that happens to them is they take a quick in out from the players, accept it, and sign the (frank)ing deal. They have a huge US Tv deal to consider this time, the pie is much bigger to divide as well, more money, more problems, to sort out anyways.
- eihcnerf

This is a joke, right?

NBC couldn't give a rat's arse until the Winter Classic.

The salary cap and the revenue sharing isn't what screwed things up. It was the fact that the players are getting 57% of the revenue and the revenue skyrocketed. I don't think anybody expected the NHL to come back as hard and as strong as it has. If they adjust the percentage of revenue the players get, they adjust the cap floor and the cap ceiling and fix what is throwing half of the league out of whack.

- Two_For_Truth

Canadian dollar at par was also a huuuuuuuuge factor.

I think they could also benefit from a system that allows teams to go over the salary cap ceiling by a maximum of 10% and force offending teams to pay a dollar for dollar (or more) luxury tax with that money going to revenue sharing.
- Two_For_Truth

Oh, please Lord, let it be so.

Praise be to the Leafs.

This is a joke, right?

NBC couldn't give a rat's arse until the Winter Classic.
- Atomic Wedgie

um, then why they paying all that money? $2 Billion over next 10 years.

Not true. Brilliant potential is in the eye of the beholder.
- weirdoh

....and Beauty is in the eye of the Beer holder

.........and my dog scratches his ass on the carpet

...and........

* slams head on desk , leaves work early with a concusion*

ya, I sure bet after making $75M he fully intends to play for $1M a year, when the league minimum then will probably be $1.4

I think Parise's is worse - an extra $1M year.
- Big_Lightnin

Or maybe they could simply change the ruling to no more contracts longer than 6 years and for any of the contracts that were longer than 6 years and the player retires early...that team keeps the cap hit until the contract has expired.

That would be bloody awesome! 7.5 million sitting on your cap just completely gone to waste.