Value means what you can get for him in a trade so, no, they don't all hold the same value.
- Two_For_Truth

I am not talking about trade value, im talking about the value the GM's have for these players to the organization. Just because Faulk doesnt hold the same trade value as the Edmonton 3, doesnt mean he will be traded for less. Rutherford covets Faulk as much as Tambs covets his 3. Are they in the same class? Not at the moment, but if Rutherford feels Faulk can become a premier defensemen in this league, he will not trade him. Hence why he said he isnt including Faulk in any trades.

That's the amazing thing about the guy - I would have thought that a former all-star wouldn't worry about a stat like that, but the guy never let his all-star status go to his head.

Any team in the league would be lucky to have him.
- Atomic Wedgie

"All-star status" actually made me LOL. I can't respond sarcastically now.

People suck...Anyway, I just can't figure out how trading is gonna help this team...I don't think he needs to sign the big ticket free agents, but at least a couple of nice players wouldn't be asking too much...
- Flyfreaky

I was hoping he would get Arnott, but depending on how much Arnott was asking for. I think he plays a perfect role for a 3rd line center on a Carlyle coached team.

But who though? There's no one out there that is an obvious upgrade for what this team thinks they need.
- Juice

Doan would be nice...Jagr would have been nice...Hudler would have been nice...Garrison and Salvador would have been nice as well...

Reading both your posts on GSP..I tend to disagree with almost all you have said.

GSP does have a black belt under Gracie JJ.. he doesnt need to go to Brazil to train lol.

Its the game plans from Greg Jackson that dictate his fights for the most part, he listens and stick to the plan to beat each opponent. its not the most exciting, that I agree with.
- senstroll

He does not use it near enough, and he does not use it to submit. Like he should. Not even about being exciting, as the BJ Penn fight was great, he has the strength to dominate on the ground, and usually early, he misses very simple angles and openings on submitting, that he just shouldn't. And his fights end up the drawn out snorefest they have become. If he submitted more frequently his fights would end much quicker and his fights wouldnt be so boring to watch.

This is the leader they have been looking to unleash...
- Flyfreaky

You have to give up something significant to bring in something significant.

If Komisarek has to go in order to get Bobby Ryan + from Anaheim, then I am OK with that, I guess.

"All-star status" actually made me LOL. I can't respond sarcastically now.
- GoneFullRetard

We really need to form the Komi Klub.

That way, if he regains his all-star status this year, we will be able to say we saw it all along.

But if he doesn't, we can just say we were joking the whole time.

You have to give up something significant to bring in something significant.

If Komisarek has to go in order to get Bobby Ryan + from Anaheim, then I am OK with that, I guess.
- GoneFullRetard

You have to give up something significant to bring in something significant.

If Komisarek has to go in order to get Bobby Ryan + from Anaheim, then I am OK with that, I guess.
- GoneFullRetard

That is a tough one, but probably the right thing to do...

You have to give up something significant to bring in something significant.

If Komisarek has to go in order to get Bobby Ryan + from Anaheim, then I am OK with that, I guess.
- GoneFullRetard

Not great, losing Komi, but i guess it will have to do huh?

I am not talking about trade value, im talking about the value the GM's have for these players to the organization. Just because Faulk doesnt hold the same trade value as the Edmonton 3, doesnt mean he will be traded for less. Rutherford covets Faulk as much as Tambs covets his 3. Are they in the same class? Not at the moment, but if Rutherford feels Faulk can become a premier defensemen in this league, he will not trade him. Hence why he said he isnt including Faulk in any trades.
- peddy-93

The term value isn't the right one for this situation or what you're trying to describe. Value is what he is worth, not his importance to his team. Players like Faulk or Gardiner can't be coveted in the same way that Hall or Yakupov are coveted because they simply aren't as good.

We really need to form the Komi Klub.

That way, if he regains his all-star status this year, we will be able to say we saw it all along.

But if he doesn't, we can just say we were joking the whole time.
- Atomic Wedgie

That is very similar to my Leafs attitude.

predict everything bad will happen, until you believe it... and you will either be one of the few who got it right, or you will be happy you were wrong

Not great, losing Komi, but i guess it will have to do huh?
- eihcnerf

I'm just glad it is not me and my 5-figure* salary, that has to make those kind of decisions.







*including cents

I am not talking about trade value, im talking about the value the GM's have for these players to the organization. Just because Faulk doesnt hold the same trade value as the Edmonton 3, doesnt mean he will be traded for less. Rutherford covets Faulk as much as Tambs covets his 3. Are they in the same class? Not at the moment, but if Rutherford feels Faulk can become a premier defensemen in this league, he will not trade him. Hence why he said he isnt including Faulk in any trades.
- peddy-93

Would you trade Gardiner for RNH?

The term value isn't the right one for this situation or what you're trying to describe. Value is what he is worth, not his importance to his team. Players like Faulk or Gardiner can't be coveted in the same way that Hall or Yakupov are coveted because they simply aren't as good.
- Two_For_Truth

Well Rutherford wont trade Faulk for the sam reason Tambo wont trade the 3, ya the 3 are better but its also how important the player is to the team. Value might not be the right word, but you know what i mean now.

Would you trade Gardiner for RNH?
- robin_steele264

Of course not, don't be silly.

Yeah but the young eager GSP also got cold clocked by Matt Sera and saw the light. Also, yeah man, he should be working on his BJJ, it has become obvious over time that he can dominate people on the ground, and while he has them down there i am watching and saying " Take that arm, the leg, something, make him tap", and he doesnt, he continues with the G&P and the knees to the ribs, his go to. Man if GSP had Grace BJJ, and could submit as well as he wrestles, he would go the rest of his career undefeated until someone finally caught him on his more then questionable chin. He needs to train in brazil, while he is rehabilitating IMO.
- eihcnerf

GSP has been training with the Gracies for a few years now. He stopped for a while when the fight with Serra was announced because of the Gracies having strong ties wit Serra as Matt was their first American black belt. GSP is well versed in submissions (ask Matt Hughes) he just lacks the killer instinct to finish fights.

Take the Hardy fight for instance, he had him in a pretty brutal kimura and was about to break his arm but instead of finishing the fight and breaking his arm, GSP was just sitting there maintaining pressure and stairing at the ref waiting for him to stop the fight. GSP had plenty of strength left to torque the arm but he chose not to.

Also you don't need to go to Brazil to train with the Gracies, they have gyms pretty much everywhere now in the US expecially Cali.

The term value isn't the right one for this situation or what you're trying to describe. Value is what he is worth, not his importance to his team. Players like Faulk or Gardiner can't be coveted in the same way that Hall or Yakupov are coveted because they simply aren't as good.
- Two_For_Truth

Also, different types of players.

But who though? There's no one out there that is an obvious upgrade for what this team thinks they need.
- Juice

leafs need to make room for kadri

or trade kadri, mac, franson, +prospect for a SOLID top 6 winger or 1C

Would you trade Gardiner for RNH?
- robin_steele264

Yup, but like i said, Burke will only trade Gardiner if he feels the player/s he is getting back contributes to the future as well.

Im not a blind Leaf fan that thinks Gardiner cant be traded for anything, but IMO Burke will only trade him for an overpayment, or for a player with very similar potential to Gardiner

That is very similar to my Leafs attitude.

predict everything bad will happen, until you believe it... and you will either be one of the few who got it right, or you will be happy you were wrong
- GoneFullRetard

Mom?

GSP has been training with the Gracies for a few years now. He stopped for a while when the fight with Serra was announced because of the Gracies having strong ties wit Serra as Matt was their first American black belt. GSP is well versed in submissions (ask Matt Hughes) he just lacks the killer instinct to finish fights.

Take the Hardy fight for instance, he had him in a pretty brutal kimura and was about to break his arm but instead of finishing the fight and breaking his arm, GSP was just sitting there maintaining pressure and stairing at the ref waiting for him to stop the fight. GSP had plenty of strength left to torque the arm but he chose not to.

Also you don't need to go to Brazil to train with the Gracies, they have gyms pretty much everywhere now in the US expecially Cali.
- Sammich

This was my point.

Yup, but like i said, Burke will only trade Gardiner if he feels the player/s he is getting back contributes to the future as well.

Im not a blind Leaf fan that thinks Gardiner cant be traded for anything, but IMO Burke will only trade him for an overpayment, or for a player with very similar potential to Gardiner
- peddy-93

Well obviously he's not held in the same regard as RNH would be in Edmonton.

Yup, but like i said, Burke will only trade Gardiner if he feels the player/s he is getting back contributes to the future as well.

Im not a blind Leaf fan that thinks Gardiner cant be traded for anything, but IMO Burke will only trade him for an overpayment, or for a player with very similar potential to Gardiner
- peddy-93

Or to fill a greater need in the organization that skating, offensive Dmen.

If the return was a good C or proven Goalie, I don't think Burke would nix the deal because of Gardiner.

I like Royce Gracie in that spot, but the sport as progressed so far from the freakshows they were to a legit main event sport watched around the world, the fighters now are so much better athletes and cross trained in every discipline of martial arts, wrestling and boxing. Hard to say right now. But considering how much better the freakshow became to be main stream, and the progression of the athletes along with it, it is rather likely you are correct about GSP.
- eihcnerf

I remember the first few UFC's 20 years ago when they were pay per view and the Gracie family ruled the finals...helped bring Aiki Ju-Jitsu to mainstream attention