I think it's at that point that if the Flyers want to significantly upgrade the team, it's either Doan, or a trade.
- MJL

Contract implications aside, Doan would be fun to watch and a great replacement for Jagrs leadership

just thinking out loud...

when the flyers lose a dman it is doubly costly because of their inability to draft and develop high level dmen for the last two decades. generally they've had to trade forwards or go the FA route to get top dmen.
- isaiah520

Your point was dramatically refuted by the Grossmann trade.

A lot of you are missing some basic points of life. My 3 year old is more advanced than when 2.

We have a lot of young kids. Most will get better, including MAB, Voracek, Simmonds, Read, Schenn, Coots. Life is not static.

We will get better. Jagr was great but can't stay healthy. Carle is simply not better per $ than Coby, Mez, and Grossmann. And it isn't close. A healthy team is what we need. A lot of time also between now and tread deadline.

Prudence. Intelligence. Patience


Building blocks of life.
- Daman

Here's a basic point of Hockey that your missing. When you make the arbitrary point that Carle is not better per $ then Coby, Mex, and Grossmann, and it isn't close. Your not considering the mix of players. And what their strengths and weaknesses are. For example, Carle and Coburn are different types of defenseman. So if your team needed a physical defensive defenseman, you'd choose Coburn. If you needed a puck moving offensive defenseman, you'd choose Carle. It's not black and white and who's better. It's what your looking for from that player.

Bourdon can't sign a two way contract. Do you make him your 7th dman and ride the bench? I like him as the 6th DMan with Lilj as th 7 with Gustffson in the AHL. Carle at $5.5 and Voracek @ $4.0 leaves you at 800K under with one more winger needed?

There wouldn't have been zip cap space left. And Bourdon is not an issue. He's basically signed.
- MJL

Bourdon can't sign a two way contract. Do you make him your 7th dman and ride the bench? I like him as the 6th DMan with Lilj as th 7 with Gustffson in the AHL. Carle at $5.5 and Voracek @ $4.0 leaves you at 800K under with one more winger needed?
- jstross

Bourdon absolutely could sign a two way contract. Not that I think he will. Carle at 5.5M and Voracek at 4M would leave you with about 5.8M to play with.

Still plenty of time for Homer to make upgrades to the current roster.
- stveshdy

it will take a trade

it will take a trade
- isaiah520

Most likely.

Your point was dramatically refuted by the Grossmann trade.
- Daman

really? nic is a good lug who is physical as hell, but he can't move the puck. sometimes it's like it's a bomb on his stick. we need a top pairing puck mover and we knew we needed one as soon as pronger became iffy.

Bourdon absolutely could sign a two way contract. Not that I think he will. Carle at 5.5M and Voracek at 4M would leave you with about 5.8M to play with.
- MJL

Did I miss some part of this convo? Cause Carle signed with tampa

Bourdon absolutely could sign a two way contract. Not that I think he will. Carle at 5.5M and Voracek at 4M would leave you with about 5.8M to play with.
- MJL

Did I miss some part of this convo? Cause Carle signed with tampa

it will take a trade
- isaiah520

Holmgren's strength is making trades. Hes done better in that avenue as opposed to free agency.

Here's a basic point of Hockey that your missing. When you make the arbitrary point that Carle is not better per $ then Coby, Mex, and Grossmann, and it isn't close. Your not considering the mix of players. And what their strengths and weaknesses are. For example, Carle and Coburn are different types of defenseman. So if your team needed a physical defensive defenseman, you'd choose Coburn. If you needed a puck moving offensive defenseman, you'd choose Carle. It's not black and white and who's better. It's what your looking for from that player.
- MJL

Like a playmaker VS a shooter

Most likely.
- MJL

Trade for Ryan sign mueller and Moore. And go with it

Did I miss some part of this convo? Cause Carle signed with tampa
- shifty28

Hypothetical question asking if anybody would have signed Carle to that deal to stay with the Flyers.

No offense, but you're misundertanding the way LTIR works. The Flyers have about $10.8 million. Let's say Carle $5.5 and Voracek $4.0 are signed. that leaves the Flyers wth$1.3 million (not counting Summer cap allowance) and needing 1 forward. Once the the season starts they will have $4.9-$1.3 or $3.6 million more for cap space in a trade.

Bourdon absolutely could sign a two way contract. Not that I think he will. Carle at 5.5M and Voracek at 4M would leave you with about 5.8M to play with.
- MJL

Most likely.
- MJL

If they believe Coots and Schenn can pot 20 or more goals this season, then maybe just some more minor tweaking of the roster. Again, I'm higher then most fans about some of the possibilities already in the organization for third pairing minutes. Homer probably already has a pretty good idea how healthy Kimmo will be by opening night, which might be influencing some of his decisions.

Hypothetical question asking if anybody would have signed Carle to that deal to stay with the Flyers.
- MJL

Oh, alright. To answer that question, no I would not have given him that money

really? nic is a good lug who is physical as hell, but he can't move the puck. sometimes it's like it's a bomb on his stick. we need a top pairing puck mover and we knew we needed one as soon as pronger became iffy.
- isaiah520

You need to have a mix of players to round out the defense. And right now, the Flyers are lacking a puck moving offensive element.

Here's a basic point of Hockey that your missing. When you make the arbitrary point that Carle is not better per $ then Coby, Mex, and Grossmann, and it isn't close. Your not considering the mix of players. And what their strengths and weaknesses are. For example, Carle and Coburn are different types of defenseman. So if your team needed a physical defensive defenseman, you'd choose Coburn. If you needed a puck moving offensive defenseman, you'd choose Carle. It's not black and white and who's better. It's what your looking for from that player.
- MJL

I'm not missing any points. I just assess the mix differently. We have been through this, so no need for me to teach you again. Steve Wonder could assess the players the same way you do. Doesn't make it right. Just makes in another opinion.

[quote=MJL]Most likely
Will see what happens but I think there are players that can be added to improve this club, it's Homers job to find them.

Well we can be happy the pens signed crybaby to that super long contract and he is the next lindros

If they believe Coots and Schenn can pot 20 or more goals this season, then maybe just some more minor tweaking of the roster. Again, I'm higher then most fans about some of the possibilities already in the organization for third pairing minutes. Homer probably already has a pretty good idea how healthy Kimmo will be by opening night, which might be influencing some of his decisions.
- ravishingone

I like Bourdon. I liked some of what I saw from him last year. I have no problems if the Flyers make some minor role player signings from here on out, and see what happens. I think the Flyers have their sights set on some big fish.

You need to have a mix of players to round out the defense. And right now, the Flyers are lacking a puck moving offensive element.
- MJL

absolutely

Hypothetical question asking if anybody would have signed Carle to that deal to stay with the Flyers.
- MJL

a week ago I wouldn't have gone over $5 million a year, but if he came back and asked us to match the deal, yes, I would have probably done it.

here's a question, on top of your head (not to check all the teams rosters), but when you look at our top 5 D men, there aren't too many teams that "blows us away" as far as overall depth, even W/O Carle.

I'm not missing any points. I just assess the mix differently. We have been through this, so no need for me to teach you again. Steve Wonder could assess the players the same way you do. Doesn't make it right. Just makes in another opinion.
- Daman

Well what exactly makes the way I asses the players wrong. Let's find out who knows what? Please teach me again!