Detroit is smart enough not to give that kind of contract to a slightly above average D-man.

Only mistake thus far that Holmgren has made is signing Leighton imo. Not a huge issue but he should have moved on from there.

Not paying outrageous sums to Jagr and Carle was very smart.
- PLindbergh31

But really, Carle isn't considered overpaid anymore, the market went up after Suter signed.

Cap hits
Suter $7.5 million Carle $5.5 He's really in line with the "new" market value I guess.

Would Detroit rather have a rookie take his spot with extra $ to spend & waste a year of there aging nucleus?

Homer is gonna be wheeling and dealing tomorrow

Atlantic division is looking a lot weaker this year.

But really, Carle isn't considered overpaid anymore, the market went up after Suter signed.

Cap hits
Suter $7.5 million Carle $5.5 He's really in line with the "new" market value I guess.

Would Detroit rather have a rookie take his spot with extra $ to spend & waste a year of there aging nucleus?
- puckhead17

I'd rather pay Carle 5.5 M for 6 years then pay Suter 7.5M for 13 years.

Mueller.......mueller ...... Mueller lol
- griouxmvp2012

Cam Barker

But really, Carle isn't considered overpaid anymore, the market went up after Suter signed.

Cap hits
Suter $7.5 million Carle $5.5 He's really in line with the "new" market value I guess.

Would Detroit rather have a rookie take his spot with extra $ to spend & waste a year of there aging nucleus?
- puckhead17

My only concern is the Flyers have a good amount of cap room, and there isn't really any appealing UFA's available besides Doan.

Well either the Flyers didn't think Carle was worth that contract, or Carle didn't want to be here. I'm cool with giving the young guys a shot at real time.

lmao.

Leighton is as good a backup as Bob so we gained 3 picks and some cap space.
Pronger and JVR missed most of the season and were both worthless in the playoffs so we lost nothing.
Jagr and Carle are losses, but you gained Grossman and Schenn and Wellwood is ready for a top 3 roll.

They need to upgrade the 3rd and 4th line and maybe another DMan, but not for 6 million unless he's a stud.

i dont care we did not sign parise, suter, jagr or carle, im mad becasue this offseason has been a disaster

we lose-carle, jagr, jvr, bob, pronger
we gain-schenn, leighton

not impressed so far
- mydoglicks

I'd rather pay Carle 5.5 M for 6 years then pay Suter 7.5M for 13 years.
- MJL

I totally agree with you on that.

I would have scoffed at anything above $5 million a year a week ago, but once a team goes nuts, the market increases, especially when there are no other options available.

Matter of opinion. And overpaying for a position of need in Free Agency, is something every team does. If you want a quality player, you have to overpay. We'll see what Holmgren has up his sleeve.
- MJL

I think Carle is a great player and TB got a nice upgrade on the back end but once again following the trend this off-season in overpayment...I am really looking forward to seeing what Homer does now knowing Carle won't be back...he always puts forth a contender on the ice and I have tons of faith that he sees a bigger move to make here

My only concern is the Flyers have a good amount of cap room, and there isn't really any appealing UFA's available besides Doan.
- PLindbergh31

Cap space is nice and all unless you can spend it. There's no prize for completing a season and leaving money in the bank. It does potentially open up midseason trade opportunities however.

I think Carle is a great player and TB got a nice upgrade on the back end but once again following the trend this off-season in overpayment...I am really looking forward to seeing what Homer does now knowing Carle won't be back...he always puts forth a contender on the ice and I have tons of faith that he sees a bigger move to make here
- keatondixon

I share that same thought of looking forward to seeing what Holmgren does.

I'd rather pay Carle 5.5 M for 6 years then pay Suter 7.5M for 13 years.
- MJL

I think we can all agree on that.

Cap space is nice and all unless you can spend it. There's no prize for completing a season and leaving money in the bank. It does potentially open up midseason trade opportunities however.
- eayost

Yep, but you have to have something to trade.

just thinking out loud...

when the flyers lose a dman it is doubly costly because of their inability to draft and develop high level dmen for the last two decades. generally they've had to trade forwards or go the FA route to get top dmen.

My only concern is the Flyers have a good amount of cap room, and there isn't really any appealing UFA's available besides Doan.
- PLindbergh31

Right, but there are others with space as well, not counting the small markets that have to spend a nice amount just to get to the floor.
They may have no choice but to surrender a young asset depending on what player they wish to pry loose from another team

I think we can all agree on that.
- keatondixon

All except the guys who count. Holmgren and Snider.

couturier should be on the 3rd line.

Thats what I've been saying. Sign Moore for 4th line center, he wins draw at 55% clip which would be the best of any current Flyer. Also you could move Talbot to Couturier wing and Moore can also play some PK
- Pat MaGroin

Right, but there are others with space as well, not counting the small markets that have to spend a nice amount just to get to the floor.
They may have no choice but to surrender a young asset depending on what player they wish to pry loose from another team
- puckhead17

I think it's at that point that if the Flyers want to significantly upgrade the team, it's either Doan, or a trade.

so you extend Carle and resign Voracek and zip cap space left. What do you do with bourdon?

Jagr, I would have passed. But Carle I would have absolutely signed to that deal.
- MJL

so you extend Carle and resign Voracek and zip cap space left. What do you do with bourdon?
- jstross

There wouldn't have been zip cap space left. And Bourdon is not an issue. He's basically signed.

A lot of you are missing some basic points of life. My 3 year old is more advanced than when 2.

We have a lot of young kids. Most will get better, including MAB, Voracek, Simmonds, Read, Schenn, Coots. Life is not static.

We will get better. Jagr was great but can't stay healthy. Carle is simply not better per $ than Coby, Mez, and Grossmann. And it isn't close. A healthy team is what we need. A lot of time also between now and tread deadline.

Prudence. Intelligence. Patience


Building blocks of life.

I think it's at that point that if the Flyers want to significantly upgrade the team, it's either Doan, or a trade.
- MJL

Agreed, and now Doan gets his pick where to go, as again, other teams have just as much available cap space, maybe more to spend.

Personally, I'm only luke warm on Doan, I'm not sure I want to go the route of a 36 year old with multiple years, (again).

I wonder if they try to sign another Jagr type forward this year (1 yr deal with moderate money). Looking at possibilities : Huselius, Mueller- not sure who else.

Still plenty of time for Homer to make upgrades to the current roster.