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isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 4 @ 6:01 PM ET
There's nobody supposedly available that I'd trade Schenn or Couturier for.
- Jsaquella

schenn for Kane you'd have to think about.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 4 @ 6:03 PM ET
I don't know what the Flyers have planned for him. But he's been a frequent healthy scratch the last 2 Seasons. Right now the signing doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But we'll see what else happens.
- MJL

ya know? that sounds familiar
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 4 @ 6:03 PM ET
schenn for Kane you'd have to think about.
- isaiah520


I think Schenn will be the better player long term. Kane's off ice issues worry me.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 4 @ 6:04 PM ET
I think Schenn will be the better player long term. Kane's off ice issues worry me.
- Jsaquella


So you have thought about it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 4 @ 6:05 PM ET
ya know? that sounds familiar
- isaiah520


Are you referring to Lilja? That's part of my point. We already have that veteran 6/7 depth guy not expected to play a ton of games. Maybe they view Gervais as an upgrade on Lilja and are going to move Lilja.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 4 @ 6:06 PM ET
I think the end result may have been that. But I believe that Holmgren had every intention of trying to sign one of those players.
- MJL



well, sure, but if he knew he was getting either both or none, I suspect he would prefer none, and yet he made the offers.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:06 PM ET
I think Schenn will be the better player long term. Kane's off ice issues worry me.
- Jsaquella

We already have one smaller player that can't play d. No thanks on Kane.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 4 @ 6:06 PM ET
So you have thought about it.
- tangent_man


As much as I think about anything
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:08 PM ET
So does anyone think this trade has nething to do with a blockbuster bout to go down
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:09 PM ET
There's nobody supposedly available that I'd trade Schenn or Couturier for.
- Jsaquella

I agree 100 percent. They stay and Homer isnt goign to move them, which is why I want to see a trade for a guy like Paajarvi. Wont cost the house, EDM needs Dmen and he can get more ice time in Philly. Guess we will wait and see
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 4 @ 6:09 PM ET
We already have one smaller player that can't play d. No thanks on Kane.
- moylander

Kane is 6'2, 200 and a pure power fwd..also knocked the crap out of Matt Cooke...I'd take him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 4 @ 6:10 PM ET
well, sure, but if he knew he was getting either both or none, I suspect he would prefer none, and yet he made the offers.
- PT21


I think it was more a case of if either or both would have agreed, then he would of chosen which player they preferred. They had real interest in both, and wanted an iron in both fires.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 4 @ 6:10 PM ET
I agree 100 percent. They stay and Homer isnt goign to move them, which is why I want to see a trade for a guy like Paajarvi. Wont cost the house, EDM needs Dmen and he can get more ice time in Philly. Guess we will wait and see
- bigmookalookie

I'd be fine taking a flyer on paarjavi
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 4 @ 6:11 PM ET
Kane is 6'2, 200 and a pure power fwd..also knocked the crap out of Matt Cooke...I'd take him.
- isaiah520


Ohhhh, EVANDER Kane...thought you meant Patrick
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:11 PM ET
So does anyone think this trade has nething to do with a blockbuster bout to go down
- griouxmvp2012

what trade?
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:14 PM ET
well, sure, but if he knew he was getting either both or none, I suspect he would prefer none, and yet he made the offers.
- PT21



I don't think he offered the $$$ & term & figured he just wouldn't get them anyway.

Anymore, it seems now, when they jack the cap up $5 million the way they did, that more teams entered the fray as options for either players.

Many are saying wait until next year for Weber & Perry, but can a team that wants to sign a specific player giving up no assets, afford to wait?
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:14 PM ET
Kane is 6'2, 200 and a pure power fwd..also knocked the crap out of Matt Cooke...I'd take him.
- isaiah520



Thought you meant Pat Kane
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:15 PM ET
Ohhhh, EVANDER Kane...thought you meant Patrick
- Jsaquella



same here
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 4 @ 6:15 PM ET
Ohhhh, EVANDER Kane...thought you meant Patrick
- Jsaquella

you'd make that one I bet. I threw out there the schenn bros+ for Kane and bogo and bill also tweeted about enstrom. WPG hasn't had a center since the early thrasher days.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 4 @ 6:15 PM ET
I think it was more a case of if either or both would have agreed, then he would of chosen which player they preferred. They had real interest in both, and wanted an iron in both fires.
- MJL



How could he choose if both agreed? He made offers to both. If both had accepted, I assume there is nothing he could do about it. Again assuming he preferred none to both (b/c of salary cap +young asset reasons), and also assuming he knew they were going to go somewhere together, why did he make huge offers?
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:18 PM ET
Tim Panaccio‏@tpanotchCSN

flyers trying to get Gervais done tonight.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:20 PM ET
Kane is 6'2, 200 and a pure power fwd..also knocked the crap out of Matt Cooke...I'd take him.
- isaiah520



Saw ' off ice issues' assumed Patrick Kane.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 4 @ 6:23 PM ET
Tim Panaccio‏@tpanotchCSN

flyers trying to get Gervais done tonight.

- bigmookalookie



i'm sure it's a brutal negotiation lol
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 4 @ 6:25 PM ET
i'm sure it's a brutal negotiation lol
- Don'tForgetTocchet


Agent: Bruno wants free diet Mr Pibb in the dressing room, Homer.

Homer: For Pete's sake, we got Diet Dr Pepper!!! It's the same freakin' thing!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 4 @ 6:27 PM ET
How could he choose if both agreed? He made offers to both. If both had accepted, I assume there is nothing he could do about it. Again assuming he preferred none to both (b/c of salary cap +young asset reasons), and also assuming he knew they were going to go somewhere together, why did he make huge offers?
- PT21


Very simple. Choose one and rescind the offer to the other. I don't think you can assume he knew they were going to go somewhere together. As a GM, you can't assume anything.
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