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Yep. The Flyers are losers because they didn't get to hand two very good, but not elite, players elite money for the next 13 years. Oh how (frank)ed we are as a team and fanbase.
- Jsaquella

Back to fantasizing about ripping the team apart to get Nash/Ryan. game on!

You said he brought toughness which the team lacked I brought up Hartnell being a tough player but you told me he's not as tough as Simmonds. I'll leave you with a video maybe our definitions of tough are not the same either way the tape don't lie


- JoeRussomanno

some people just hate the sight of blood. I'm not holding that against Simmonds.

I'm not sure how this evolved into a Simmonds vs Hartnell comparison. My original point was that I think what Simmonds brings to this team is more valuable than what Jake brings. At least at this point, considering Jake's trouble finishing.
- FlyerGuy

I disagree. Agreed that Jake isn't a strong finisher or a true sniper. But I think puck possession is key in today's NHL and specifically in Lavy's system. And that is where Jake really excels. Few players can control the puck like he can, and even fewer can do it with speed. The Flyers need that kind of player (especially now that they don't have Jagr and JVR).

I love Simmonds and agree that he brings a lot of things the Flyers need. Certainly wouldn't want to lose him. But to say he's overall more valuable to the team than Jake is a vast undervaluing of Jake imo.

You said he brought toughness which the team lacked I brought up Hartnell being a tough player but you told me he's not as tough as Simmonds. I'll leave you with a video maybe our definitions of tough are not the same either way the tape don't lie


- JoeRussomanno

I'm not sure where you're going here.

Are you saying because Simmonds had to be talked through a simple nail pr!ck with his jersey over his head, that he's not tough enough?

some people just hate the sight of blood. I'm not holding that against Simmonds.

- FlyerGuy

Then they are not tough people

I'm not sure where you're going here.

Are you saying because Simmonds had to be talked through a simple nail pr!ck with his jersey over his head, that he's not tough enough?
- 77rams

I'm just saying he in particular isn't tougher than Hartnell.

Matt Carle 5 yrs, 27.5 M

5.5 cap hit

Would you do it?

yeah or nay?
- Marc D

Yep. No other choice.

I'm just saying he in particular isn't tougher than Hartnell.
- JoeRussomanno

If I were on the opposing team I'd MUCH rather have a confrontation with Harts than Simmonds.

If I were on the opposing team I'd MUCH rather have a confrontation with Harts than Simmonds.

- FlyerGuy

All you have to do to simmonds is show him some blood

edit: Has Simmonds fought anyone as big as Gaustad? I really don't know if someone does please tell me.

since it was europeans who discovered Higgs Boson, my guess is the hot dog contest
- aosplayo

There's quite a few prominent American Physicists at CERN working on the Hadron Project. The Fermi Lab in Chicago has the same info, aswell.

I disagree. Agreed that Jake isn't a strong finisher or a true sniper. But I think puck possession is key in today's NHL and specifically in Lavy's system. And that is where Jake really excels. Few players can control the puck like he can, and even fewer can do it with speed. The Flyers need that kind of player (especially now that they don't have Jagr and JVR).

I love Simmonds and agree that he brings a lot of things the Flyers need. Certainly wouldn't want to lose him. But to say he's overall more valuable to the team than Jake is a vast undervaluing of Jake imo.
- BringBack25

All good points. I too love Jake and what he brings to the Flyers. Although I kind of think we're forgetting how great Simmonds was at controlling the puck along the boards.

Both players have a bright future, for sure.

There's quite a few prominent American Physicists at CERN working on the Hadron Project. The Fermi Lab in Chicago has the same info, aswell.
- KINGKENZO

Touche


Either way we probably end the world...................or become immortal

ok so when is all the crazyness supposed to start

There's quite a few prominent American Physicists at CERN working on the Hadron Project. The Fermi Lab in Chicago has the same info, aswell.
- KINGKENZO

All you have to do to simmonds is show him some blood
- JoeRussomanno

come on now, this is one tough dude. Plus I think he fought Engeland the next night.

come on now, this is one tough dude. Plus I think he fought Engeland the next night.

- FlyerGuy

He's not tougher than Hartsy. Not yet.

He's not tougher than Hartsy. Not yet.
- JoeRussomanno

we'll have to agree to disagree there.

have a good 4th, Joe. Go Flyers.

All good points. I too love Jake and what he brings to the Flyers. Although I kind of think we're forgetting how great Simmonds was at controlling the puck along the boards.

Both players have a bright future, for sure.
- FlyerGuy

Not forgetting - Simmonds is definitely great at winning board battles. But he's not good at carrying the puck in open ice, or even keeping the puck once he wins it along the boards. These are the things at which Jake is very good.

Agreed both have bright futures and both are important to the team. Just disagree with your earlier post that Simmonds is more important than Jake.

Anyway, glad we didn't crush our cap with Suter or Parise (or god forbid both of them). And glad they're not in Pitt, or even our conference. Time for some good ol' American yard work before neighborhood seafood boil party this evening.

You kids be safe, and remember, just say NO to Nash and Ryan.

I'm not sure how this evolved into a Simmonds vs Hartnell comparison. My original point was that I think what Simmonds brings to this team is more valuable than what Jake brings. At least at this point, considering Jake's trouble finishing.
- FlyerGuy

I keep reading Voracek has trouble finishing. He scored 18 goals last year. That's a solid total in the NHL.

All you have to do to simmonds is show him some blood

edit: Has Simmonds fought anyone as big as Gaustad? I really don't know if someone does please tell me.

- JoeRussomanno

He flat out KO'ed Eric Brewer. Simms is only 185ish, Brewer 6'3 230ish

Yep. The Flyers are losers because they didn't get to hand two very good, but not elite, players elite money for the next 13 years. Oh how (frank)ed we are as a team and fanbase.
- Jsaquella

hah, we got a reprieve

we'll have to agree to disagree there.

have a good 4th, Joe. Go Flyers.

- FlyerGuy

Well when I see simmonds do it as much and for as long as Hartnell I'll give him the nod. Otherwise Have good one yourself.

He flat out KO'ed Eric Brewer. Simms is only 185ish, Brewer 6'3 230ish
- KINGKENZO

yea i dont know what these guys are talking about simmer is a beast he can fight i you remember one of his first fights with us it was against the devils and he dropped the dude and then picked him back up and continued to pound on him

I keep reading Voracek has trouble finishing. He scored 18 goals last year. That's a solid total in the NHL.
- MJL

they tell him to shoot more because he's not yet a natural scorer and his shot is erratic. his big improvement last yr was his committement.