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eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 4 @ 1:03 PM ET
there are going to be more suitors for him now then there were for Parise,
chances are slim even if he does leave Phoenix

- Marc D


Don't forget we have Bryz. He scares all the FAs away
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 4 @ 1:04 PM ET
Matt Carle 5 yrs, 27.5 M

5.5 cap hit

Would you do it?

yeah or nay?

- Marc D


Yeah. That's the most I'd do with the current cap situation, though
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 1:04 PM ET
Don't forget we have Bryz. He scares all the FAs away
- eayost

Sarcasm Fail
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 4 @ 1:04 PM ET
If Jake improves his finishing he's gonna be a helluva a player I'd try to hold onto him.
- JoeRussomanno



I'd love to see him signed to a long term deal

hmm then they would just trade him, nevermind
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 4 @ 1:04 PM ET
Thankfully, that soap opera is finally over. Now let's get down to some real business.

Homer should get Carle on the horn immediately..."Matt, I've got a five year, 26 mil contract on my desk. Give me your answer before I finish my burger or it's in the can".

FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Jul 4 @ 1:05 PM ET
Hartnell...
- JoeRussomanno

sorry ... I don't see the same toughness in Hartnell as I do in Simmonds.


not that Harts doesn't try of course. And he definitely is a valuable guy.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 4 @ 1:05 PM ET
If Jake improves his finishing he's gonna be a helluva a player I'd try to hold onto him.
- JoeRussomanno


he's never going to score more than 20-25 goals probably, but if he got the ice and played with a decent scorer with any consistency at 5v5, he'd flirt with 50 assists just if you project his current numbers over more ice time.
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jul 4 @ 1:06 PM ET
so are we getting nash or ryan??
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 4 @ 1:06 PM ET
Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund

Expect the Flyers to make a very serious run at Shane Doan next week if he decides to leave Phoenix. I am told he is their immediate target.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 4 @ 1:06 PM ET
Yeah. That's the most I'd do with the current cap situation, though
- Jsaquella

I think he would take that and stay
just my guess

I don't see Detroit offering him much more, they are pretty smart with their contracts, St Louis too for that matter

I don't think Carle is going to get a 60M 10 yr offer anywhere

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 1:07 PM ET


I'd love to see him signed to a long term deal

hmm then they would just trade him, nevermind

- Marc D

a 22 year old that scored just under 50 points while being shuffled between lines... not too shabby. But hey wee need a dozen more goals so let's package him up in a deal with a Dman (which we kinda need) and some draft picks for Nash or Ryan makes total sense! Logging onto NHL12 now who wants to play!?
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 4 @ 1:08 PM ET
there are going to be more suitors for him now then there were for Parise,
chances are slim even if he does leave Phoenix

- Marc D


This is true. He might get a 6 year $30 million contract the way this free agent season has been going, and that would be a little absurd.

I have no doubt Homer is exploring all options.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 4 @ 1:08 PM ET
Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund

Expect the Flyers to make a very serious run at Shane Doan next week if he decides to leave Phoenix. I am told he is their immediate target.

- aosplayo

Flyers, Pitt, Chicago, Vancouver, NYR, etc etc all are going to want Doan

come on Ek
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 1:08 PM ET
sorry ... I don't see the same toughness in Hartnell as I do in Simmonds.


not that Harts doesn't try of course. And he definitely is a valuable guy.

- FlyerGuy

Sorry but Simmonds has a way to go before he gets to Hartnell's level. I think you're under appreciating what he does out there.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Jul 4 @ 1:08 PM ET
Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Poile says he has already talked to Shea Weber's people about a long-term contract... going to turn his attention to that now

- Pat MaGroin



He doesn't have a hope in hell of keeping Weber now. He best find a place to trade him to before he loses him for nothing too.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 4 @ 1:08 PM ET
Waiting around a week for Doan to even be available could be dangerous
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 4 @ 1:08 PM ET
I think he would take that and stay
just my guess

I don't see Detroit offering him much more, they are pretty smart with their contracts, St Louis too for that matter

I don't think Carle is going to get a 60M 10 yr offer anywhere

- Marc D


It's possible. I'd tell Carle that it's a quick negotiation or nothing. They waited 4 days on the resolution of Parise/Suter, now they have to address depth needs and veterans for the 4th line.
MrPerfect316
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, YT
Joined: 07.06.2008

Jul 4 @ 1:09 PM ET
sign carle make a trade for weber.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jul 4 @ 1:09 PM ET
sorry ... I don't see the same toughness in Hartnell as I do in Simmonds.


not that Harts doesn't try of course. And he definitely is a valuable guy.

- FlyerGuy


Simmonds goal is to become the player Hartnell is.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 4 @ 1:09 PM ET
He doesn't have a hope in hell of keeping Weber now. He best find a place to trade him to before he loses him for nothing too.
- canadianpenfan


The Preds still have a ton of cap room. They could add pieces and keep Weber happy with a fat contract
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 4 @ 1:09 PM ET
Weber to Minnesota for Heatley, Koivu, Powe, + 5th round pick
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Jul 4 @ 1:10 PM ET
jake is by far the better puck possession player. isn't that a better fit for lavy system?
- OrangeBlack27

not so sure I would say that Jake is by far better at puck possession than Simmonds.

Simmonds was absolutely fantastic at controlling the puck along the boards for most of the season. Only in the playoffs did that part of his game suffer a letdown.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jul 4 @ 1:10 PM ET
Weber to Minnesota for Heatley, Koivu, Powe, + 5th round pick
- eayost


I am sure one of the stipulations Parise had was that Koivu remained with the team. Last thing Parise wants is for them to trade away his centerman.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 4 @ 1:10 PM ET
The Preds still have a ton of cap room. They could add pieces and keep Weber happy with a fat contract
- Jsaquella


Yea they'll add Carle to play with Weber
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 4 @ 1:11 PM ET
a 22 year old that scored just under 50 points while being shuffled between lines... not too shabby. But hey wee need a dozen more goals so let's package him up in a deal with a Dman (which we kinda need) and some draft picks for Nash or Ryan makes total sense! Logging onto NHL12 now who wants to play!?
- JoeRussomanno

keeping Jake is their best move

the only doubts I have is they may be struggling with his agent as to what he is worth long term

the flyers hold all the cards though as he is rfa

the only way I would deal him is if they really believe they can't get a long term deal done at some point and have to maximize his value through a trade

still I want to keep him, I love his attitude and size and skill set, and they are really short on top wingers right now
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