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Ronning4ever
Joined: 09.11.2008

Jul 2 @ 2:39 PM ET
Meh. Think the garrison signing was OK. According to Dreger, he's got a good work ethic, so even if he's not putting up points I think he'll do OK.

Could be a bad signing, but I think teams would take a risk on him in the future for $4.5 Mil. It's no Redden or Jaybo $6.5 Mil contract.

I'd like to see Doan. One year deal. Could fill in well for Kesler and Sedin, Kesler, Doan, Lappierre, would be a deadly centre lineup.

Suter for Edler+ would be an excellent swap for both teams.



AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jul 2 @ 2:40 PM ET
Sarah McLellan ‏@azc_mclellan
Glendale council candidates call for delay in signing Phoenix Coyotes deal http://www.azcentral.com/...phoenix-coyotes-deal.html


This saga is longer than Avatar. I never realized how long and complicated losing money could be.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jul 2 @ 2:45 PM ET
Sarah McLellan ‏@azc_mclellan
Glendale council candidates call for delay in signing Phoenix Coyotes deal http://www.azcentral.com/...phoenix-coyotes-deal.html


This saga is longer than Avatar. I never realized how long and complicated losing money could be.

- AlexF


The problem is, Glendale wants to get out, but if the Coyotes go then Glendale probably goes down with it because it's sucked so much taxpayer money into that arena. It's having enough problems trying to book dates beyond Coyote games that they could end up with an empty arena and no way to fill it.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 2 @ 2:45 PM ET
Darren Dreger‏@DarrenDreger

@Eklund. Sorry pal. Just talked to Dale Tallon and he says nothing has changed. Still talking with Van. Nothing imminent. High price.
o__o__o
Calgary Flames
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 12.27.2005

Jul 2 @ 2:56 PM ET
He would be playing somewhere else then.
- VANTEL


It had been reported several times that he wanted to play in Vancouver.

As it was, he took less money to go there.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jul 2 @ 2:57 PM ET
Darren Dreger‏@DarrenDreger

@Eklund. Sorry pal. Just talked to Dale Tallon and he says nothing has changed. Still talking with Van. Nothing imminent. High price.

- VANTEL


I'm sorry but that is just embarrassing.
numbear
Calgary Flames
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.24.2011

Jul 2 @ 2:57 PM ET
Sarah McLellan ‏@azc_mclellan
Glendale council candidates call for delay in signing Phoenix Coyotes deal http://www.azcentral.com/...phoenix-coyotes-deal.html


This saga is longer than Avatar. I never realized how long and complicated losing money could be.

- AlexF

with all their stars leaving hopefully they'll be in seattle soon
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 2 @ 2:58 PM ET
I'm sorry but that is just embarrassing.
- AlexF


Ek should take the family out today.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jul 2 @ 3:00 PM ET
I'm sorry but that is just embarrassing.
- AlexF

Predictable is more like it.
I just giggle everytime he makes some bold statement, particularly when it involves the Canucks.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jul 2 @ 3:02 PM ET
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger

@Eklund. Sorry pal. Just talked to Dale Tallon and he says nothing has changed. Still talking with Van. Nothing imminent. High price.

AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jul 2 @ 3:03 PM ET
Predictable is more like it.
I just giggle everytime he makes some bold statement, particularly when it involves the Canucks.

- Marwood


Yeah I think it's pretty clear that he has zero inside sources in the Canucks organization.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 2 @ 3:03 PM ET
Shane Doan is exactly what we need, I'm trying not to get my hopes up since I think the losers in the Parise/Suter sweepstakes will then go hard after him and potentially beat our offer. If MG can land him, then this team looks complete to me, you can always pick up a depth forward or d-man in the Lu trade or trade deadline to push us over the top. I'd be willing to overpay for Doan, just front load the contract for the first 2 years.


Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 2 @ 3:05 PM ET
Yeah I think it's pretty clear that he has zero inside sources in the Canucks organization.
- AlexF


Not a surprise since MG likes to run a tight ship, but I think the insiders are usually getting their info from the other teams(TOR, FLA, etc.).
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 2 @ 3:08 PM ET
Shane Doan is exactly what we need, I'm trying not to get my hopes up since I think the losers in the Parise/Suter sweepstakes will then go hard after him and potentially beat our offer. If MG can land him, then this team looks complete to me, you can always pick up a depth forward or d-man in the Lu trade or trade deadline to push us over the top. I'd be willing to overpay for Doan, just front load the contract for the first 2 years.
- Nucker101


Front loaded isn't really an advantage because Doan is already 35+ as per the "Mogilny" rule.

EDIT - what I mean to say is that if you front load the contract there is no incentive for a player to play out the contract but you are stuck with the cap hit, whereas if the $ are spread evenly there is more incentive not to retire.
numbear
Calgary Flames
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.24.2011

Jul 2 @ 3:09 PM ET
Shane Doan is exactly what we need, I'm trying not to get my hopes up since I think the losers in the Parise/Suter sweepstakes will then go hard after him and potentially beat our offer. If MG can land him, then this team looks complete to me, you can always pick up a depth forward or d-man in the Lu trade or trade deadline to push us over the top. I'd be willing to overpay for Doan, just front load the contract for the first 2 years.
- Nucker101

i agree doan is what you need.

Langkow is a cheap alternative for some grit at centre on 3rd line

Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 2 @ 3:12 PM ET
Front loaded isn't really an advantage because Doan is already 35+ as per the "Mogilny" rule.
- 1970vintage


Fair enough, I'd still be willing to go a third year. He'll be useful for the next 2 years and IMO still a useful third liner in year 3 and a great leader. Who knows, he might even retire if we actually win the cup. With most of "the core" in it's prime I think we should go for it.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 2 @ 3:14 PM ET
i agree doan is what you need.

Langkow is a cheap alternative for some grit at centre on 3rd line

- numbear


I like Langkow, but his faceoff percentage last year was horrible, I'd want someone better at faceoffs for that role.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 2 @ 3:17 PM ET
Fair enough, I'd still be willing to go a third year. He'll be useful for the next 2 years and IMO still a useful third liner in year 3 and a great leader. Who knows, he might even retire if we actually win the cup. With most of "the core" in it's prime I think we should go for it.
- Nucker101


Totally agree
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 2 @ 3:22 PM ET
Totally agree
- 1970vintage


Me too
instigator
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 05.31.2009

Jul 2 @ 3:23 PM ET
Fair enough, I'd still be willing to go a third year. He'll be useful for the next 2 years and IMO still a useful third liner in year 3 and a great leader. Who knows, he might even retire if we actually win the cup. With most of "the core" in it's prime I think we should go for it.
- Nucker101



Love to sign Doan but reality says that once the other big fish are off the market the teams left at the alter will give him stupid $$ and term.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 2 @ 3:26 PM ET
Love to sign Doan but reality says that once the other big fish are off the market the teams left at the alter will give him stupid $$ and term.
- instigator


I'd be willing to go as high as 3 years at 5mil per with a NTC. I know it's too much but that's probably what it will take for him to consider. He may not be worth that only scoring 20-25 goals but his leadership is also very valuable and he's the type of player you win cups with.
numbear
Calgary Flames
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.24.2011

Jul 2 @ 3:29 PM ET
I'd be willing to go as high as 3 years at 5mil per with a NTC. I know it's too much but that's probably what it will take for him to consider. He may not be worth that only scoring 20-25 goals but his leadership is also very valuable and he's the type of player you win cups with.
- Nucker101

thats pretty much what I was thinking.

I do think VCR, EDM, CGY may have a strong chance for him.

EDM I could see really making a push for him, but I almost think JAGR would fit in better there.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 2 @ 3:32 PM ET
thats pretty much what I was thinking.

I do think VCR, EDM, CGY may have a strong chance for him.

EDM I could see really making a push for him, but I almost think JAGR would fit in better there.

- numbear



Hometown interest never hurts. He can visit Catriona on weekends.
TLinden16
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Burnaby, BC
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 2 @ 3:32 PM ET
I'd be willing to go as high as 3 years at 5mil per with a NTC. I know it's too much but that's probably what it will take for him to consider. He may not be worth that only scoring 20-25 goals but his leadership is also very valuable and he's the type of player you win cups with.
- Nucker101


Doaner is a winner with BC roots. You're going to have to overpay a bit, but as others have stated, he has the characteristics that this teams missing to win the Cup. I think 3 years @ $5 mill is right on point Not a bad 'sunset' contract for Doan
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 2 @ 3:32 PM ET
thats pretty much what I was thinking.

I do think VCR, EDM, CGY may have a strong chance for him.

EDM I could see really making a push for him, but I almost think JAGR would fit in better there.

- numbear


I think he wants a cup, out of those 3 teams it's a no-brainier. By the the time EDM is a cup contender he'll be retired.
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