I'd rather we keep Gunnarsson as he doesn't get enough credit for how effective and simple his game has been.

Franson's got a wicked shot and came on very strong once Komi got injure last year.

Kadri's a big question mark. If he fails to make the team again other teams will take notice and then he'll be a sitting duck.

Move him while we can

Plus a lot of our D prospects aren't gonna be ready for another couple years.

Holzer's got the most seasoning and might be ready, but aside from him and Blacker nobody's ready to step in and make a difference. We'll need those Dmen
- AngryWhiteMale

see ur offering poop plus kadri and kadri is only 21 is he not?you want a first line centre but only wanna give up a 2/3 winger a mid level prospect a 7th dman and a 2?
not happening
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Colborne is not a 1C in th NHL we would be better off with Bozak. We do not have a 1C in the system, there is no help on the way on that front. You would be hard pressed to find an example of a head of a company that has taken 4 years to fill a major need in the company and still have a job.
- oh-dae-su

For what it's worth, Bozak's even come around as a guy who put up enough points to earn a further look, as he wasn't missing as many open nets as he did the year before

True... when the Oilers are accused of intentionally tanking its a farce... as if the players go out there intending to lose.
- robin_steele264

I don't even think A-type personalities you see in upper management (and usually former athletes) are capable of even tanking: you can ice a frugal team, but you're going to try to ice the best team you can given the budget you have to work with.

Now, I can see teams dumping bodies for picks come trade deadline and icing their youth to fill the gaps in the roster but that's more of a bi-product of the purge than it is to intentionally play badly.

see ur offering poop plus kadri and kadri is only 21 is he not?you want a first line centre but only wanna give up a 2/3 winger a mid level prospect a 7th dman and a 2?
not happening

- Blindfatkid[img][/img]

Stats isn't anymore a first line centre than Grabs. It's simply a case of trying to figure out if, with Loops and Kessel, he can thrive

For what it's worth, Bozak's even come around as a guy who put up enough points to earn a further look, as he wasn't missing as many open nets as he did the year before
- AngryWhiteMale

You mean passing up as many open nets so he can pass to kessel.

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
For those asking, Toronto, Buffalo & Edmonton are not in the Doan mix, if he decides to explore outside options.

Agreed.... you can add to that list not making moronic overpayments to 1 year wonders who are 27-28 years old.



I don't think that Frattin is going to miss camp. I could be wrong, but I thought I heard he will be ready to go for camp. I think it's 4-6 week thing rather 3-4 month.
- burn

MCL surgery. More than 3 weeks for sure, but reports say he will be ready in October.

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
For those asking, Toronto, Buffalo & Edmonton are not in the Doan mix, if he decides to explore outside options.
- gravyface

Figures.

He'll stay out west for a contender

Stats isn't anymore a first line centre than Grabs. It's simply a case of trying to figure out if, with Loops and Kessel, he can thrive
- AngryWhiteMale

Speaking of that, I'm wondering why we've really never tried Kessel and Grabs besides the odd shift or two: I know Mac in the USSR was hot two years ago, but you'd think Grabs speed and backchecking diligence would be a better option than Bozak.

MCL surgery. More than 3 weeks for sure, but reports say he will be ready in October.
- prock

Burke just said yesterday that's not sure about Frattin making camp.

What, to get to the cap floor??
- Domidives

Yup, and really he isn't a HORRIBLE option to a team that needs to get to the cap floor. IF he can stay healthy

Figures.

He'll stay out west for a contender
- AngryWhiteMale

man, leafs cant get anyone besides mr.76

Speaking of that, I'm wondering why we've really never tried Kessel and Grabs besides the odd shift or two: I know Mac in the USSR was hot two years ago, but you'd think Grabs speed and backchecking diligence would be a better option than Bozak.
- gravyface

They've certainly tried it, but it never worked. Grabs himself was never able to settle into a decent point production level until he was paired with Mac, and to a lesser degree Kuli.

Perhaps bump Kuli to the third line and give Frattin a go with he and Mac.

Kuli could play third line with JVR and Colborne. As long as RC cycles line 1-3 enough and gives JVR PP time he won't mind being on a third line against 3rd pairing Dmen

man, leafs cant get anyone besides mr.76
- wingz4life

We figured that out a long time ago

Figures.

He'll stay out west for a contender
- AngryWhiteMale

Weird, Doan said himself he isn't going to look at anything until July 9th, when he gets bvack from Vacation

Speaking of that, I'm wondering why we've really never tried Kessel and Grabs besides the odd shift or two: I know Mac in the USSR was hot two years ago, but you'd think Grabs speed and backchecking diligence would be a better option than Bozak.
- gravyface

Spreading around the talent I suppose. 2nd line is pretty useless without Grabovski, given Connolly's complete bed crapping last season.

He brought Reimer in and he played fantastically.

It's not BBs fault the guy's melon was dinged.

Plus Scrivens was solid in both his AHL run, and even his short stint with the buds.

He's not starter, but he's 26 years old, and deserves a shot at battling another young guy.

Hopefully coaching and a system will help the two young tenders, and vice versa.

As for the Rumours that BB is talking with NSH, wouldn't Colin Wilson look good in a Leafs uni?
- AngryWhiteMale

I would totally love to see Wilson in a leafs uniform

Stats isn't anymore a first line centre than Grabs. It's simply a case of trying to figure out if, with Loops and Kessel, he can thrive
- AngryWhiteMale

ok still poop ur trading though and no.1 don't come in abundance, I see statsny as an upgrade over grabs so id say he is a no1 even if a 1b, your going to have to overpay.

That's kinda my point ... If Burke can't get anything done , what good is having him !

I'm a big fan of BB , but his plan over the last few years hasn't panned out too well .
And while I know building a winner is a process , watching SHlT FUKING hockey and having nothing to look forward to but the 2013 draft SUCKS ASS !
- .HOHO.

I guarantee we do not have anything special to look forward to in the 2013 draft.

Burke will do just enough to ensure we F that up also.

NOTHING will change with this team. It will be the same thing every year for the rest of my life at least, and probably everyone's here.

If there is a bad decision to be made, or a bad direction to take... the Leafs are all over it.

They've certainly tried it, but it never worked. Grabs himself was never able to settle into a decent point production level until he was paired with Mac, and to a lesser degree Kuli.

Perhaps bump Kuli to the third line and give Frattin a go with he and Mac.

Kuli could play third line with JVR and Colborne. As long as RC cycles line 1-3 enough and gives JVR PP time he won't mind being on a third line against 3rd pairing Dmen
- AngryWhiteMale

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabo - Kulemin
MacArthur - McClement - Frattin
Lombardi - Steckel - Brown

That's how I see it

They've certainly tried it, but it never worked. Grabs himself was never able to settle into a decent point production level until he was paired with Mac, and to a lesser degree Kuli.

Perhaps bump Kuli to the third line and give Frattin a go with he and Mac.

Kuli could play third line with JVR and Colborne. As long as RC cycles line 1-3 enough and gives JVR PP time he won't mind being on a third line against 3rd pairing Dmen
- AngryWhiteMale

Chatting with the Philly guys on HFboards, they don't recall JVR ever taking a faceoff; also say he's below average defensively, but probably would've benefited from a more defensive center than Briere and needs coaching; hopefully Carlyle and Grabs can help with that.

Unanimous in agreement regarding his work ethic though: kid's going to give it his all.

Unless there are more trades in the future i cant see Colborne making the team out of camp due to depth, ultimately by the end of the year we should have a clear idea wht Colborne will become
- kovalchukTML

Instead, we will have Connolly and McClement.

... perfect summary of what is wrong.

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
For those asking, Toronto, Buffalo & Edmonton are not in the Doan mix, if he decides to explore outside options.
- gravyface

My money is on CHI

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabo - Kulemin
MacArthur - McClement - Frattin
Lombardi - Steckel - Brown

That's how I see it
- cor99

Connolly in the minors I hope... I cannot believe the Leafs will be able to unload him.

Yup, and really he isn't a HORRIBLE option to a team that needs to get to the cap floor. IF he can stay healthy
- cor99

The only plus with Connolly is that it's a contract year and if wants to continue making significant NHL bucks, he needs to seriously bounce back.