Release the Kraken!!
- Mr. Shocky

but the Kreken was stoned .. ah turned to stone and defeated

dude, no he isn't. Parise is a complete player, Kessel plays 1 end of the ice.

I could admit that Kessel is a more gifted offensive player, and has a better shot, but then the stats even refute this too.

Oh ya, and Parise has actually scored over 40G in a season, and over 90 pts...

Just check the stats alone man.
- Big_Lightnin

Kessel is an elite player in the league. Why do we crap on every talent we have hoping for something more. To continually post on here to get rid of Kessel and Lupul after what they did for this team last year is totally disrespectful.

We talk of talent wanting to come here, and how the players should wave their no trade or no movement clauses for the good of the team and the fan base, but we treat them like crap. Toronto's media and fan base are the reason we have not won a cup for so long. We enjoy trades and office crap more than the product on the ice. I want to win, I don't know crap about hockey compared to someone who lived and breathed it their whole life. I'm a fan who enjoys the game, and wants to take his kid to games we win.

I still like to know what is going on, which is why I'm here but to blast and disrespect the players is wrong. They are people with families and social lives in the city.

Kessel played a good two way game for most of last season and excelled because of it. We should stop raining on the kids that try hard. There were many Leafs who didn't put forth the effort we expected, and they and the coaching staff know it, Let them deal with it now.

Here's how I 'hope' our lineup looks next season, realistically:

Lupul - ______ - Kessel
JVR - Grabo - Frattin
Kulemin - McClement - Connolly
Komarov - Steckel - Brown
Lombardi

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Gardiner - Franson
Liles - Komisarek
Holzer

Reimer
Scrivens

So this leaves:

Bozak
MacArthur
Kadri
Colborne
Blacker
Ashton
mid-level prospects
draft picks

.....to try to land us a #1 centreman.

Whatever. Coming from a guy who basically just pulled the equivalent of telling on me, I could give a ___. I will tell you this, there are certain people here who actually know what they are talking about, and they will take my posts over yours any day, so whatever pal.
- Jimmy_T

Yea, but that's for comedic value only.

I'm not ready to poop on Liles yet. He came back terrible after getting his bell rung. I'm assuming though kids like Blacker will get a serious look. He's a defense first type ain't he? Holzer offensive?


Defensive for Holzer apparently.
- weirdoh

Blacker is solid both ways, but great offensively. Holzer's a shut-down.

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
No confirmation on this yet, could be wrong, but I'm led to believe the Red Wings are out of the Parise race.

I still think he resigns in NJ.

Whatever. Coming from a guy who basically just pulled the equivalent of telling on me, I could give a ___. I will tell you this, there are certain people here who actually know what they are talking about, and they will take my posts over yours any day, so whatever pal.
- Jimmy_T

wow, Ok you're (frank)ed

just like JVR is a 100 point centre?
- Blindfatkid

JVR could be. Funny how whenever you talk about potential, people somehow think you are saying its a forsure fact. I feel sometimes that every post should be written phonically and come with a diagram and maybe a napkin ( you know, so you can wipe the drool off your chin).

Kessel is an elite player in the league. Why do we crap on every talent we have hoping for something more. To continually post on here to get rid of Kessel and Lupul after what they did for this team last year is totally disrespectful.

We talk of talent wanting to come here, and how the players should wave their no trade or no movement clauses for the good of the team and the fan base, but we treat them like crap. Toronto's media and fan base are the reason we have not won a cup for so long. We enjoy trades and office crap more than the product on the ice. I want to win, I don't know crap about hockey compared to someone who lived and breathed it their whole life. I'm a fan who enjoys the game, and wants to take his kid to games we win.

I still like to know what is going on, which is why I'm here but to blast and disrespect the players is wrong. They are people with families and social lives in the city.

Kessel played a good two way game for most of last season and excelled because of it. We should stop raining on the kids that try hard. There were many Leafs who didn't put forth the effort we expected, and they and the coaching staff know it, Let them deal with it now.
- stevecarpetman

THIS

Whatever. Coming from a guy who basically just pulled the equivalent of telling on me, I could give a ___. I will tell you this, there are certain people here who actually know what they are talking about, and they will take my posts over yours any day, so whatever pal.
- Jimmy_T

How old are you?

I don't care if anyone agrees with me to tell you the truth. My opinion is my opinion. I have been dead wrong. I also have dead right.

Posting what you just did reeks of immaturity and I will choose to disengage from future conversations with you. Have a good day, be sure to be home before the street lights come on.

Blacker is solid both ways, but great offensively. Holzer's a shut-down.
- Big_Lightnin

I hope they both get a shot... which is overdue with some of the other Dmen on this team.

Kessel is an elite player in the league. Why do we crap on every talent we have hoping for something more. To continually post on here to get rid of Kessel and Lupul after what they did for this team last year is totally disrespectful.

We talk of talent wanting to come here, and how the players should wave their no trade or no movement clauses for the good of the team and the fan base, but we treat them like crap. Toronto's media and fan base are the reason we have not won a cup for so long. We enjoy trades and office crap more than the product on the ice. I want to win, I don't know crap about hockey compared to someone who lived and breathed it their whole life. I'm a fan who enjoys the game, and wants to take his kid to games we win.

I still like to know what is going on, which is why I'm here but to blast and disrespect the players is wrong. They are people with families and social lives in the city.

Kessel played a good two way game for most of last season and excelled because of it. We should stop raining on the kids that try hard. There were many Leafs who didn't put forth the effort we expected, and they and the coaching staff know it, Let them deal with it now.
- stevecarpetman

Kessel could with the MF'in Selke trophy and guys like Glucky would still come on here and say "Hes a one dimentsional player". Why? Because they do not actually watch the games. They invent opinions and hold fast to them in the face of facts.

With all due respect, Talking about FACTS and attacking someone are two completely differen't things. Track record has proven Dreger to be a much more reliable source than Eklund. Track record has also proven that Dreger has more credibility that I do - I do not take it personally
- steve362

This is his site, I know people want to take shots at him but part of being a ref is to watch out for that.

A small piece...
- DoctorNHL

But a piece nonetheless. He could be a decent #2C, likely a #3C (Colorado???) going back.

How old are you?

I don't care if anyone agrees with me to tell you the truth. My opinion is my opinion. I have been dead wrong. I also have dead right.

Posting what you just did reeks of immaturity and I will choose to disengage from future conversations with you. Have a good day, be sure to be home before the street lights come on.
- Lee Denault

A little harsh but rings true..

How old are you?

I don't care if anyone agrees with me to tell you the truth. My opinion is my opinion. I have been dead wrong. I also have dead right.

Posting what you just did reeks of immaturity and I will choose to disengage from future conversations with you. Have a good day, be sure to be home before the street lights come on.
- Lee Denault

Oh god, now youre pullin out the old "how old are you cliche" It the internet! First one to be condescending wins! Flame on bro.

Kessel could with the MF'in Selke trophy and guys like Glucky would still come on here and say "Hes a one dimentsional player". Why? Because they do not actually watch the games. They invent opinions and hold fast to them in the face of facts.
- Jimmy_T

go find one instance where I called Kessel a one dimensional player.

Kessel is an elite player in the league. Why do we crap on every talent we have hoping for something more. To continually post on here to get rid of Kessel and Lupul after what they did for this team last year is totally disrespectful.

We talk of talent wanting to come here, and how the players should wave their no trade or no movement clauses for the good of the team and the fan base, but we treat them like crap. Toronto's media and fan base are the reason we have not won a cup for so long. We enjoy trades and office crap more than the product on the ice. I want to win, I don't know crap about hockey compared to someone who lived and breathed it their whole life. I'm a fan who enjoys the game, and wants to take his kid to games we win.

I still like to know what is going on, which is why I'm here but to blast and disrespect the players is wrong. They are people with families and social lives in the city.

Kessel played a good two way game for most of last season and excelled because of it. We should stop raining on the kids that try hard. There were many Leafs who didn't put forth the effort we expected, and they and the coaching staff know it, Let them deal with it now.
- stevecarpetman

I'm not crapping on Kessel. I'm stating facts that are obvious to everyone who actually watches hockey.

Kessel is NOT better than Parise. This is a universal fact. That is not the same as saying Kessel sucks.

Parise is a very elite winger in this league. If he hadn't broken his leg last season, He'd have more goals scored than Kessel over the last 5 seasons.

Period.

Kessel's BEST asset is goal scoring, and Parise is better at it than him. Parise is also good defensively.

Kessel managed to not be as big a liability defensively last season, but he is not where near someone you can call "good" defensively.

I like Kessel. He's an elite sniper. Parise is a better player, and his play proves it.

Period. It is shocking to think there is even debate here.

Again, I am not saying Kessel sucks, by any means. But he is not better than Parise.

But a piece nonetheless. He could be a decent #2C, likely a #3C (Colorado???) going back.
- Phenom

Agreed but don't think he is a two.. and doesn't it into our supposed system of truculence at 3 & 4 for other teams he is a great fit..

I applaud Bozak for all his efforts..

But a piece nonetheless. He could be a decent #2C, likely a #3C (Colorado???) going back.
- Phenom

Agreed but don't think he is a two.. and doesn't it into our supposed system of truculence at 3 & 4 for other teams he is a great fit..

I applaud Bozak for all his efforts..

Kessel is an elite player in the league. Why do we crap on every talent we have hoping for something more. To continually post on here to get rid of Kessel and Lupul after what they did for this team last year is totally disrespectful.

We talk of talent wanting to come here, and how the players should wave their no trade or no movement clauses for the good of the team and the fan base, but we treat them like crap. Toronto's media and fan base are the reason we have not won a cup for so long. We enjoy trades and office crap more than the product on the ice. I want to win, I don't know crap about hockey compared to someone who lived and breathed it their whole life. I'm a fan who enjoys the game, and wants to take his kid to games we win.

I still like to know what is going on, which is why I'm here but to blast and disrespect the players is wrong. They are people with families and social lives in the city.

Kessel played a good two way game for most of last season and excelled because of it. We should stop raining on the kids that try hard. There were many Leafs who didn't put forth the effort we expected, and they and the coaching staff know it, Let them deal with it now.
- stevecarpetman

Saying Parise is a more complete player, who's scored more than Kessel isn't knocking Kessel at all... it's just stating facts.

go find one instance where I called Kessel a one dimensional player.
- Feeling Glucky?

So what? I am just likening you to the typical mouth breathing leaf fan you are. And Iam here to try to bring the level of discourse up a bit.

JVR could be. Funny how whenever you talk about potential, people somehow think you are saying its a forsure fact. I feel sometimes that every post should be written phonically and come with a diagram and maybe a napkin ( you know, so you can wipe the drool off your chin).
- Jimmy_T

well consider this: JVR has never played centre in the NHL and never score 50 points in a season, (frank) he doesn't even have 100 career points but he is a 100 point centre on the leafs ? (frank) dude open your eyes and don't tell me mine are closed.

Words to the ref.

You know what has to be done here. This is ridiculous.

Words to the ref.

You know what has to be done here. This is ridiculous.
- Lee Denault

You're ridiculous.