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FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 2 @ 10:46 AM ET
Gun to my head Suter. Because he's the best of the three players by a good margin.
- PLindbergh31


i'd have to agree

all three definitely over paid though (at those numbers)..... weber is gonna get 10 mil per season
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 2 @ 10:47 AM ET
Don't these players know I have work to do today... how do you expect me to concentrate with $200 million in contracts in limbo???

LETS GE A MOVE ON ZACH AND RYAN!!!

- Flyers2821


just imagine being them right now -- they call each other a couple times and they wake up prolly around 10 -- have an amazing breakfast and get ready to make the announcment within 15 minutes of each other....I bet they both already know.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 2 @ 10:47 AM ET
I think he's going to get 6 somewhere.....Garrisson got 4.6!! Wideman 5.25....wow - Carle is better than both.
- flyersfan51


Just because other teams lose their minds, doesn't mean the Flyers should. These contracts are outlandish. I prefer the Flyers stand pat opposed to be reactionary and hand out a contract they will be looking to unload in a few years.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 2 @ 10:48 AM ET
Just because other teams lose their minds, doesn't mean the Flyers should. These contracts are outlandish. I prefer the Flyers stand pat opposed to be reactionary and hand out a contract they will be looking to unload in a few years.
- PLindbergh31


I agree - I'm happy with our 6 the way it is -- but I'd sign another defensemen and trade for Ryan.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jul 2 @ 10:49 AM ET
The NHL needs to put a max contract length into place. I think around 5-7 years tops. They can't be happy with teams throwing 2 extra years at the end of these mega deals that pay half a million bucks to lessen the cap hit (i.e. Pronger and Crosby).
Jimmygrazz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 04.23.2010

Jul 2 @ 10:49 AM ET
Trade Voracek, Read, Coby and 2 #1's for Weber. Sign Parise for 12 years 80 Million. Resign Jagr for 3.75. Fill in the blanks...


FORWARDS
Jaromir Jagr ($3.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Zach Parise ($6.700m)

Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)

Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)

Harry Zolnierczyk ($0.719m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.500m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)

Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)

Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.709m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)

Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,774,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,425,056
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 2 @ 10:49 AM ET
Just because other teams lose their minds, doesn't mean the Flyers should. These contracts are outlandish. I prefer the Flyers stand pat opposed to be reactionary and hand out a contract they will be looking to unload in a few years.
- PLindbergh31

arent you concerned about the lack of puck moving ability they'd have if they let Carle walk?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 2 @ 10:50 AM ET
Just because other teams lose their minds, doesn't mean the Flyers should. These contracts are outlandish. I prefer the Flyers stand pat opposed to be reactionary and hand out a contract they will be looking to unload in a few years.
- PLindbergh31


If the Flyers sign Suter they have an all star caliber defenseman. He would be their best player on the blueline instantly. Is it worth the price? Not at first but a couple years down the road his cap hit will look good compared to other defenseman.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 2 @ 10:52 AM ET
arent you concerned about the lack of puck moving ability they'd have if they let Carle walk?
- Crimsoninja




time to step up
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 2 @ 10:52 AM ET
arent you concerned about the lack of puck moving ability they'd have if they let Carle walk?
- Crimsoninja


Yeah it would be a concern for sure. But if the alternative is give Carle 6 million, then they will have to make due with what they have.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 2 @ 10:53 AM ET
arent you concerned about the lack of puck moving ability they'd have if they let Carle walk?
- Crimsoninja



I'm concerned about it. But I'm more concerned about paying 6M or more for a player who isn't worth that contract.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 2 @ 10:53 AM ET
The only divisional talk I heard regarding Parise was that he wouldn't play for NYR.
- BulliesPhan87


Exactly. Some have speculated that he won't play for another Atlantic division team, but it is just that: speculation.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 2 @ 10:54 AM ET
I'm concerned about it. But I'm more concerned about paying 6M or more for a player who isn't worth that contract.
- MJL


Carle is a whipping boy now for the Flyers can you image if he was making $6M or more.

LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 2 @ 10:54 AM ET
Just because other teams lose their minds, doesn't mean the Flyers should. These contracts are outlandish. I prefer the Flyers stand pat opposed to be reactionary and hand out a contract they will be looking to unload in a few years.
- PLindbergh31


Doesn't appear to be Homer's plan.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 2 @ 10:55 AM ET
Carle is a whipping boy now for the Flyers can you image if he was making $6M or more.
- stveshdy


I think if they get Parise they'll trade for a d-man.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 2 @ 10:55 AM ET
Carle is a whipping boy now for the Flyers can you image if he was making $6M or more.
- stveshdy



Suter will be Kunta Kinte in this town if he signs that reported Flyers contract offer.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 2 @ 10:55 AM ET
Carle is a whipping boy now for the Flyers can you image if he was making $6M or more.
- stveshdy



Well if Suter comes in a 7-8M a year, he may take that spot.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 2 @ 10:56 AM ET
Carle is a whipping boy now for the Flyers can you image if he was making $6M or more.
- stveshdy




I shall unleash!
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jul 2 @ 10:57 AM ET
Trade Voracek, Read, Coby and 2 #1's for Weber. Sign Parise for 12 years 80 Million. Resign Jagr for 3.75. Fill in the blanks...


FORWARDS
Jaromir Jagr ($3.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Zach Parise ($6.700m)

Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)

Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)

Harry Zolnierczyk ($0.719m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.500m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)

Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)

Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.709m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)

Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,774,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,425,056

- Jimmygrazz

7.5 for weber lol he's gonna get close to 10 mill a year
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 2 @ 10:57 AM ET
If the Flyers sign Suter they have an all star caliber defenseman. He would be their best player on the blueline instantly. Is it worth the price? Not at first but a couple years down the road his cap hit will look good compared to other defenseman.
- stveshdy



There's only a small collection of defenders past and present that can control a game to the point where they transcend the team-nature of the sport -- as good as he is, Suter isn't one of them. Weber is even debatable. With Lidstrom retired, the only dman that fits into that category fully is Chara with the way he dominates in his own zone.

Suter is a solid add in a vaccuum, but if it puts you in salary cap jail and you end up with holes elsewhere you can't fill, then you're not really better off as a team in the end.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 2 @ 10:57 AM ET
My guess is we will hear something by 1PM.

I'm thinking Parise still to Minnesota.

Suter to Detroit.

Let's hope.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 2 @ 10:58 AM ET
Suter will be Kunta Kinte in this town if he signs that reported Flyers contract offer.

- MBFlyerfan



Holy inappropriate slave reference batman...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 2 @ 10:58 AM ET
There's only a small collection of defenders past and present that can control a game to the point where they transcend the team-nature of the sport -- as good as he is, Suter isn't one of them. Weber is even debatable. With Lidstrom retired, the only dman that fits into that category fully is Chara with the way he dominates in his own zone.

Suter is a solid add in a vaccuum, but if it puts you in salary cap jail and you end up with holes elsewhere you can't fill, then you're not really better off as a team in the end.

- Tomahawk



Agreed. But Weber is as dominant as Chara is.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 2 @ 10:59 AM ET
My guess is we will hear something by 1PM.

I'm thinking Parise still to Minnesota.

Suter to Detroit.

Let's hope.

- Daman


I really think Parise goes to Philly or Pittsburgh.
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jul 2 @ 10:59 AM ET
My guess is we will hear something by 1PM.

I'm thinking Parise still to Minnesota.

Suter to Detroit.

Let's hope.

- Daman

Parise to pitt
Suter here
Carle to det
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