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hertzman
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 01.18.2006

Jul 1 @ 1:48 PM ET
Too much for Whitney on a 2 year deal.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:49 PM ET
The second year and extra 500K per is probably what got them Whitney. That contract might look ugly this time next year.
- Nucker101



I wouldn't take it.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:49 PM ET
Colby Armstrong might be a nice value signing by MTL.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:50 PM ET
I wouldn't take it.
- VANTEL


Agreed.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:50 PM ET
Too much for Whitney on a 2 year deal.
- hertzman


Agreed, some people think Luongo is over the hill at 33 but a 40 year old Whitney for 2 years at $4.5 is a good deal?
kneughter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: “yup call came in, but as pe
Joined: 07.14.2009

Jul 1 @ 1:51 PM ET
Too much for Whitney on a 2 year deal.
- hertzman


Maybe a little much... 500 grand in bonuses per year.... I would have done it... he would have turned booth into a 60 point player. And anchoring the 2nd pp unit.. as of right now... we have no one for that 2nd unit.

He was EXACTLY what that 2nd line needed... Parenteau is the only guy left who would really benefit that 2nd line.
kneughter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: “yup call came in, but as pe
Joined: 07.14.2009

Jul 1 @ 1:51 PM ET
Agreed, some people think Luongo is over the hill at 33 but a 40 year old Whitney for 2 years at $4.5 is a good deal?
- 1970vintage


Its actually 4 million per... with some bonuses... which is the way to go with 35+ deals.

77 points last year... his style of play allows him to be a bit slower and "older" and still manage to make those plays. One of the most underrated players of all time

I had him at between 3.5 to 4 million... so pretty much where I thought.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:54 PM ET
Its actually 4 million per... with some bonuses... which is the way to go with 35+ deals.

77 points last year... his style of play allows him to be a bit slower and "older" and still manage to make those plays. One of the most underrated players of all time

I had him at between 3.5 to 4 million... so pretty much where I thought.

- kneughter


Do bonuses not count against the cap? It is a huge risk for a team like Vancouver who spends to the cap every year to commit that much cap space to a player that is already 40.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:54 PM ET
Burish is also off my list. 4 years is too much though.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:55 PM ET
Colby Armstrong might be a nice value signing by MTL.
- Nucker101



I love Leafs pay him 3 mil, then Habs pay him 1 mil to come kick the Leafs ass for 1 mil.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:56 PM ET
David Pagnotta‏@TheFourthPeriod

Sharks sign center Adam Burish.
kneughter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: “yup call came in, but as pe
Joined: 07.14.2009

Jul 1 @ 1:57 PM ET
Do bonuses not count against the cap? It is a huge risk for a team like Vancouver who spends to the cap every year to commit that much cap space to a player that is already 40.
- 1970vintage


I think it works like ELC... where if he reaches his bonus threshold... lets say 60 points+.. it carries over to the next year. Or I could be wrong.. but from what I understand.. only ELC and 35+ contracts can have bonuses that don't immediately go against the cap.
kneughter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: “yup call came in, but as pe
Joined: 07.14.2009

Jul 1 @ 1:57 PM ET
Do bonuses not count against the cap? It is a huge risk for a team like Vancouver who spends to the cap every year to commit that much cap space to a player that is already 40.
- 1970vintage


I think it works like ELC... where if he reaches his bonus threshold... lets say 60 points+.. it carries over to the next year. Or I could be wrong.. but from what I understand.. only ELC and 35+ contracts can have bonuses that don't immediately go against the cap.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:57 PM ET
I love Leafs pay him 3 mil, then Habs pay him 1 mil to come kick the Leafs ass for 1 mil.
- VANTEL


Agreed. He was expected to score 20 in TO and now he just has to be a decent 4th liner and he still has the potential to score 10+. I like MTL's new management.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 1:58 PM ET
David Pagnotta‏@TheFourthPeriod

Sharks sign center Adam Burish.

- VANTEL


EK says he's still a Star.
kneughter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: “yup call came in, but as pe
Joined: 07.14.2009

Jul 1 @ 2:00 PM ET
EK says he's still a Star.
- Nucker101


Ek admitted it was "his bad" meant to say Sharks...
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 1 @ 2:00 PM ET
I think it works like ELC... where if he reaches his bonus threshold... lets say 60 points+.. it carries over to the next year. Or I could be wrong.. but from what I understand.. only ELC and 35+ contracts can have bonuses that don't immediately go against the cap.
- kneughter


But I don't think it is a performance bonus, I think it is a signing bonus, which is really just part of the salary. Either way a cap hit of $4 or $4.5 to me is too much on a two year deal. If something happens and he doesn't play in year 2 we would be screwed.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 2:02 PM ET
Ek admitted it was "his bad" meant to say Sharks...
- kneughter




The Sharks have always had some decent depth, but they can't win with the current core IMO.
kneughter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: “yup call came in, but as pe
Joined: 07.14.2009

Jul 1 @ 2:02 PM ET
But I don't think it is a performance bonus, I think it is a signing bonus, which is really just part of the salary. Either way a cap hit of $4 or $4.5 to me is too much on a two year deal. If something happens and he doesn't play in year 2 we would be screwed.
- 1970vintage


I do agree the 2 year would be a bit of deal breaker for me... but I think the risk would be worth it... 40 or not.. the guy is still a top 6 play making stud.

I really hope Gillis goes after Parenteau... Allen and Parros.
kneughter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: “yup call came in, but as pe
Joined: 07.14.2009

Jul 1 @ 2:03 PM ET


The Sharks have always had some decent depth, but they can't win with the current core IMO.

- Nucker101


I asked in the Sharks thread if they would do Lu, Raymond and 1st for Thornton.. and one guy said he would rather do raymond and a 1st for Marleau...
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 1 @ 2:04 PM ET
m Jamieson‏@JamiesonCanucks

Canucks may have some interest in FA Tom Kostopoulos, but his agent, Jerome Buckley, won't confirm it. Agent says several teams calling.
kneughter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: “yup call came in, but as pe
Joined: 07.14.2009

Jul 1 @ 2:04 PM ET
Brad Boyes for 1 million... I would have done that in a heart beat... a solid guy to have on the 3rd line... who could fill in top 6 if there is injuries... as well as a 2nd pp guy.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 2:05 PM ET
I do agree the 2 year would be a bit of deal breaker for me... but I think the risk would be worth it... 40 or not.. the guy is still a top 6 play making stud.

I really hope Gillis goes after Parenteau... Allen and Parros.

- kneughter


Everyone has Parros on their wish list here, I don't want him a regular. I'd take him as a 13th forward though.
I-own_da-Northwest
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cariboo, BC
Joined: 08.08.2009

Jul 1 @ 2:05 PM ET
I do agree the 2 year would be a bit of deal breaker for me... but I think the risk would be worth it... 40 or not.. the guy is still a top 6 play making stud.

I really hope Gillis goes after Parenteau... Allen and Parros.

- kneughter

That would be ideal
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 1 @ 2:05 PM ET
m Jamieson‏@JamiesonCanucks

Canucks may have some interest in FA Tom Kostopoulos, but his agent, Jerome Buckley, won't confirm it. Agent says several teams calling.

- VANTEL


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