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isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 1 @ 9:26 PM ET
No other reason to sign him at 900k if he's not the backup. How much money are we going to sink into goaltending then?
- hereticpride

no worries...if we cant do it right the first time, we can always do it over.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 1 @ 9:26 PM ET
He can be sent down, but then waivers come into play. I think he was absolutely signed to be the backup.

Is it a huge deal? Maybe not, but there were certainly better options out there. I just don't understand why they refuse to move on from this guy.

- PLindbergh31



Because he probably at most play 15 games. He knows his role and knows how to prepare for it. He will keep his mouth shut and do what he needs to do to stay ready when its his turn. It is what it is.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jul 1 @ 9:27 PM ET
He can be sent down, but then waivers come into play. I think he was absolutely signed to be the backup.

Is it a huge deal? Maybe not, but there were certainly better options out there. I just don't understand why they refuse to move on from this guy.

- PLindbergh31


I dunno. I see your points thought. Maybe it was the org being overly loyal.

Also, if we lose out on Suter, I do not want any part of Carle at 6 mil. (frank)ing madness.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 1 @ 9:27 PM ET
I think it was just the tagging space thing. If they had the extra space to resign Carle, he'd already be done here for 5M or less. They prioritized Coburn, then probably had enough space to do Grossmann but not Carle.
- eayost


I'll have to look it up but if hes one of your better players you try to lock him up first before negotiating with another player. I could be wrong but if I have three players I'm looking to lock up my most important player first. Now maybe the Flyers feel Coburn is the more important player.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 1 @ 9:27 PM ET
Well Bartulis was just bought out, creating 100k in dead cap space. Why?
- PLindbergh31


To create more off Season Cap space, which is needed to try and get some good players in here.
As I've said multiple times, off season Cap space is the issue for the Flyers, not in Season Cap space.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 1 @ 9:27 PM ET
I rather trade for younger players on EL deals. Phoenix has a lot of defenseman ready to play and so does Nashville. No need to overpay on the market. Have to get creative sometimes.
- stveshdy

Well, nothing's getting done until at least one of Parise or Suter drops.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 1 @ 9:28 PM ET
Imo Coby > Carle x 2
- Daman

At the end of last year, Coburn was playing like a 6.5 million dollar man imo
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 1 @ 9:29 PM ET
I'll have to look it up but if hes one of your better players you try to lock him up first before negotiating with another player. I could be wrong but if I have three players I'm looking to lock up my most important player first. Now maybe the Flyers feel Coburn is the more important player.
- stveshdy


That's what they must have thought, or negotiations were a bit more difficult with Carle and they wanted to ensure both Carle and Coburn didn't turn UFA at the same time (if Coburn would have become a UFA at the end of this past season... I'm not 100% sure on that).
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 1 @ 9:29 PM ET
Well, nothing's getting done until at least one of Parise or Suter drops.
- BulliesPhan87


Agreed. I think the Flyers are more likely to land Suter than Parise. Thats what my "Crystal Ball" tells me.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 1 @ 9:29 PM ET
At the end of last year, Coburn was playing like a 6.5 million dollar man imo
- Richieattack18


He was playing great hockey.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 1 @ 9:30 PM ET
Because he probably at most play 15 games. He knows his role and knows how to prepare for it. He will keep his mouth shut and do what he needs to do to stay ready when its his turn. It is what it is.
- MBFlyerfan

Exactly. He's not my first choice as backup, but the deal is fair and very short term. They can upgrade the position at any point if they choose.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 1 @ 9:30 PM ET
excellent Point.
To create more off Season Cap space, which is needed to try and get some good players in here.
As I've said multiple times, off season Cap space is the issue for the Flyers, not in Season Cap space.

- MJL

ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 1 @ 9:31 PM ET
He was playing great hockey.
- stveshdy


I don't think the Flyers move Coburn unless it is for Weber, Grossmann and Coburn have the looks of an effective shut-down tandem.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 1 @ 9:31 PM ET
Agreed. I think the Flyers are more likely to land Suter than Parise. Thats what my "Crystal Ball" tells me.
- stveshdy

I agree, and that's better for the Flyers in my mind.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 1 @ 9:31 PM ET
I dunno. I see your points thought. Maybe it was the org being overly loyal.

Also, if we lose out on Suter, I do not want any part of Carle at 6 mil. (frank)ing madness.

- Hextall271


I think paying him 1.5 million a year to contribute zero to the NHL level team is plenty loyal enough. The only way it becomes a huge issue is if Bryzgalov gets injured.

In some people's eyes this team can do no wrong, it's very amusing.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jul 1 @ 9:31 PM ET
But why be positive, when you can be negative, and criticize the Flyers? I mean Free Agency is 9 hours old.
- MJL


I don't think they've done bad yet.. the big names have the market cornered in a weak UFA year.. If we walk outta this with Suter added to the D with Schenn and a solid winger.. you're in business IMO. I'm sure that Bryz said in his exit interview.. I need to play more to get in a groove like I was in March.. They prob said.. let's get rid of Bob, and Bryz is the man.. we'll sign a backup to a short term contract and savethe cap money for one of the UFA's.

Good or bad, after last summers deals and good results...In Homer I trust..
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 1 @ 9:32 PM ET
As you say, maybe he's slated as the 3rd guy and maybe insurance so that they can make sure they at least have someone. It wouldn't surprise ,if they got someone else as the NHL backup.
- Hextall271


I wouldn't be shocked if he the backup, but free agency has a long way to go so anything can happen.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 1 @ 9:32 PM ET
Agreed. I think the Flyers are more likely to land Suter than Parise. Thats what my "Crystal Ball" tells me.
- stveshdy

We'll see. I wouldn't mind Suter, though it forces a trade at the blueline.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 1 @ 9:32 PM ET
I think paying him 1.5 million a year to contribute zero to the NHL level team is plenty loyal enough. The only way it becomes a huge issue is if Bryzgalov gets injured.

In some people's eyes this team can do no wrong, it's very amusing.

- PLindbergh31


Leighton is the last thing I'm worried about. If Bryzgalov gets hurt I have no doubt that Homer wil make a move to upgrade.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 1 @ 9:33 PM ET
At the end of last year, Coburn was playing like a 6.5 million dollar man imo
- Richieattack18

Coburn brings it in the playoffs.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jul 1 @ 9:33 PM ET
I think paying him 1.5 million a year to contribute zero to the NHL level team is plenty loyal enough. The only way it becomes a huge issue is if Bryzgalov gets injured.

In some people's eyes this team can do no wrong, it's very amusing.

- PLindbergh31


I agree with this point.. if all goes to plan, great.. Leights plays 15 games..if Bryz goes down for a long stretch..what do you do? I'd have preferred Biron, but more coin..
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jul 1 @ 9:34 PM ET
Leighton is the last thing I'm worried about. If Bryzgalov gets hurt I have no doubt that Homer wil make a move to upgrade.
- stveshdy


There's a lot of guys out there right now. Is Emery under contract in Chi?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 1 @ 9:34 PM ET
I agree with this point.. if all goes to plan, great.. Leights plays 15 games..if Bryz goes down for a long stretch..what do you do? I'd have preferred Biron, but more coin..
- Hextall271

Biron was never an option for the Flyers. Not this year, at least.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 1 @ 9:34 PM ET
We'll see. I wouldn't mind Suter, though it forces a trade at the blueline.
- BulliesPhan87

That's not necessarily a bad thing...
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 1 @ 9:34 PM ET
There's a lot of guys out there right now. Is Emery under contract in Chi?
- Hextall271


Yeah. I would deal for Nabokov if Bryz goes down.
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