As tee-dot said yesterday, only grab penner if its for 1.5 or less. Because he's a star like Getzlaf.
- Feeling Glucky?

....hundred and ninety pounds after somebody gave you deep fried butter at the fair?
- weirdoh

Cotton Candy sealed the deal.

I disagree...They only have one player signed for four years under Burke...That's not a long term deal...
- Flyfreaky

Kessel, 5 years; Phaneuf had 5 years on his deal too when he signed here. JVR's deal has 6 years on it. I just think that Burke's not going to hand out long-term deals for players he doesn't feel is worth it or if it's a cap circumvention deal.

We just haven't had a stud player off of an ELC deal (Stamkos, Doughty, etc.) that he's felt he's had to sign a long-term deal like that to lock them in. Closest was Kessel, but 5 years was enough to lock him up. Why sign them for longer if you don't have to? Why take that risk if you don't need to? If a player's truly happy, they'll resign.

- weirdoh

So you're saying signing Suter would be a bad move with the amazing D the Leafs have?
- weirdoh

I was following your logic of signing players because they're darn good. Yes, you could do that but there are darn good players every single year. You could sign them all to 10 year, 8 million dollar cap hits but then you would run out of space.

Then there's the problem of those players actually wanting to sign here. The way you get around that is by overpaying them which only complicates the cap situation further.

It's a big investment and a big risk. Usually, these long term deals come with 5 to 7 million dollar cap hits, depending on the player. Signing guys like Parise and Suter, although very good players, with 8 million dollar cap hits, is a big risk.

You look at players in their 30s and it really is a roll of the dice. A few years ago, you could justify signing Danny Heatley to a 10 year, 80 million dollar deal. Now that he's 31, it doesn't look so great.

Fools Gold
- SofaKingBored

I haven't said "thank you" since I was two...
- Flyfreaky

Because since then you're the one being thanked...

You're a lawyer aren't you?
- Two_For_Truth

Do I look like a Jewish ref who crashes Audis?!

His 17 pts would argue with that number.
- weirdoh

Saying the guy who couldnt crack 20 points shouldnt be signef to more than a 1.5M contract is akin to saying Getzlaf is worth 2.25.

Kessel, 5 years; Phaneuf had 5 years on his deal too when he signed here. JVR's deal has 6 years on it. I just think that Burke's not going to hand out long-term deals for players he doesn't feel is worth it or if it's a cap circumvention deal.

We just haven't had a stud player off of an ELC deal (Stamkos, Doughty, etc.) that he's felt he's had to sign a long-term deal like that to lock them in. Closest was Kessel, but 5 years was enough to lock him up. Why sign them for longer if you don't have to? Why take that risk if you don't need to? If a player's truly happy, they'll resign.
- gravyface

Sh*t won't happen with that attitude...6 years is a good starting point for a long term deal...And those are the deals all the superstars now want...

Because since then you're the one being thanked...
- SofaKingBored

Why, thank you...

Kessel, 5 years; Phaneuf had 5 years on his deal too when he signed here. JVR's deal has 6 years on it. I just think that Burke's not going to hand out long-term deals for players he doesn't feel is worth it or if it's a cap circumvention deal.

We just haven't had a stud player off of an ELC deal (Stamkos, Doughty, etc.) that he's felt he's had to sign a long-term deal like that to lock them in. Closest was Kessel, but 5 years was enough to lock him up. Why sign them for longer if you don't have to? Why take that risk if you don't need to? If a player's truly happy, they'll resign.
- gravyface

This makes sense if you have a perennial contender like Pittsburgh. But it's Toronto. It's gonna cost to keep people here. There's no discounts in this (frank)ing market.

Saying the guy who couldnt crack 20 points shouldnt be signef to more than a 1.5M contract is akin to saying Getzlaf is worth 2.25.
- Feeling Glucky?

Ummm... it was Iggy at 2.25. Getz and Perry were 2.8.

I was following your logic of signing players because they're darn good. Yes, you could do that but there are darn good players every single year. You could sign them all to 10 year, 8 million dollar cap hits but then you would run out of space.

Then there's the problem of those players actually wanting to sign here. The way you get around that is by overpaying them which only complicates the cap situation further.

It's a big investment and a big risk. Usually, these long term deals come with 5 to 7 million dollar cap hits, depending on the player. Signing guys like Parise and Suter, although very good players, with 8 million dollar cap hits, is a big risk.

You look at players in their 30s and it really is a roll of the dice. A few years ago, you could justify signing Danny Heatley to a 10 year, 80 million dollar deal. Now that he's 31, it doesn't look so great.
- Two_For_Truth

You win. They shouldn't risk the contracts. Especially one for a stud D that's proven.

Saying the guy who couldnt crack 20 points shouldnt be signef to more than a 1.5M contract is akin to saying Getzlaf is worth 2.25.
- Feeling Glucky?

He had a couple. Wasn't Perry in there too for 3 milly? (frank)ing Stee Dot. Guaranteed he was drunk and it made perfect sense in his head.

This makes sense if you have a perennial contender like Pittsburgh. But it's Toronto. It's gonna cost to keep people here. There's no discounts in this (frank)ing market.
- weirdoh

Nope. Habs and Leafs always gonna have to overpay.

Cotton Candy sealed the deal.
- eihcnerf

Nope. Habs and Leafs always gonna have to overpay.
- eihcnerf

Shelley for Dion...

He had a couple. Wasn't Perry in there too for 3 milly? (frank)ing Stee Dot. Guaranteed he was drunk and it made perfect sense in his head.
- weirdoh

I was trying to prove the unibrow was out to lunch. How much gas have you huffed today?!

This makes sense if you have a perennial contender like Pittsburgh. But it's Toronto. It's gonna cost to keep people here. There's no discounts in this (frank)ing market.
- weirdoh

I agree, but chunk over there's saying that Burke won't do a long-term deal. Period. I'm saying because we're not chock-full of ETA studs and if we were, we would be contenders (ala Pittsburgh), so it's kind of moot.

You win. They shouldn't risk the contracts. Especially one for a stud D that's proven.
- weirdoh

Win what? The Publishers Clearing House?

Suter is a little different than Parise. He fills a bigger hole than Parise would considering how poor the Leafs are defensively compared to offensively.

Bottom line, it's all hypothetical. The players have to actually want to sign here.

I agree, but chunk over there's saying that Burke won't do a long-term deal. Period. I'm saying because we're not chock-full of ETA studs and if we were, we would be contenders (ala Pittsburgh), so it's kind of moot.
- gravyface

Is that pork or beef gravy?

Leafs to win the cup E4

I was following your logic of signing players because they're darn good. Yes, you could do that but there are darn good players every single year. You could sign them all to 10 year, 8 million dollar cap hits but then you would run out of space.

Then there's the problem of those players actually wanting to sign here. The way you get around that is by overpaying them which only complicates the cap situation further.

It's a big investment and a big risk. Usually, these long term deals come with 5 to 7 million dollar cap hits, depending on the player. Signing guys like Parise and Suter, although very good players, with 8 million dollar cap hits, is a big risk.

You look at players in their 30s and it really is a roll of the dice. A few years ago, you could justify signing Danny Heatley to a 10 year, 80 million dollar deal. Now that he's 31, it doesn't look so great.
- Two_For_Truth

I think thats the point of trying to sign any awesome player, regardless of position; you cant wait for the one you want because you dont know if you'll be able to get him... So offer whoever is available, and build strength at that position, then you trade from that position to fill the one you're weakest at, with someone who doesnt have a say where they go. Its like drafting BPA.

I was trying to prove the unibrow was out to lunch. How much gas have you huffed today?!
- Tee-Dot

You showed him.


Not often you look worse after doing so, but you did.