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JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 12:07 PM ET
I used to tear up Mavis Beacon. If you know what that is.
- funmaster18

I did not but Google search engine clued me in
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jun 29 @ 12:07 PM ET
what about guys like Allen, Kuba or Campoli?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 29 @ 12:09 PM ET
I used to tear up Mavis Beacon. If you know what that is.
- funmaster18

Aw yeah, I was king of the road in the 'racing game' part of it
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 29 @ 12:13 PM ET
Personally, I'm a little more confident in JVR hitting his, but I'd be willing to accept some observer bias on that one. I've not watched much of Luke.
- BulliesPhan87


Luke Schenn as a 22 year old had 270 hits, good for 7th in the league, and 115 blocked shots.

It seems to me that we talk about the KID as if he is a 26-27 year old veteran who has never lived up to his potential. There HAS to be some perspective here (not saying you specifically) about what to expect from this kid at his age.

Those numbers from last season tell me that he is on the right path as a physical "shut down" type defenseman. If he is already bringing a physical game to that extent, I have high hopes that the rest of his pedigree comes with age and experience. You can't teach the mean streak, but you can teach decision making.

I'm hopeful he is a solid top 4 for years to come.


aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 29 @ 12:15 PM ET
Amazing what 24hrs can do. We may lose Carle which in the end doesnt make or break us.


The Devils could lose Parise and Brodeur.........Marty Brodeur not a Devil? My Devil associates are struggling very hard with that idea. I think it's awesome
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 29 @ 12:15 PM ET
Luke Schenn as a 22 year old had 270 hits, good for 7th in the league, and 115 blocked shots.

It seems to me that we talk about the KID as if he is a 26-27 year old veteran who has never lived up to his potential. There HAS to be some perspective here (not saying you specifically) about what to expect from this kid at his age.

Those numbers from last season tell me that he is on the right path as a physical "shut down" type defenseman. If he is already bringing a physical game to that extent, I have high hopes that the rest of his pedigree comes with age and experience. You can't teach the mean streak, but you can teach decision making.

I'm hopeful he is a solid top 4 for years to come.

- MBFlyerfan

Might just be that we saw him in a Leafs uniform and therefore subconsciously associate him with a lack of hope
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 29 @ 12:15 PM ET
Luke Schenn as a 22 year old had 270 hits, good for 7th in the league, and 115 blocked shots.

It seems to me that we talk about the KID as if he is a 26-27 year old veteran who has never lived up to his potential. There HAS to be some perspective here (not saying you specifically) about what to expect from this kid at his age.

Those numbers from last season tell me that he is on the right path as a physical "shut down" type defenseman. If he is already bringing a physical game to that extent, I have high hopes that the rest of his pedigree comes with age and experience. You can't teach the mean streak, but you can teach decision making.

I'm hopeful he is a solid top 4 for years to come.

- MBFlyerfan



And those totals were accumalated playing 16 minutes a game. There is no question that this kid has the physical skill set to be a fine defensive defenseman in the League. That can add some secondary offense, and is a decent puck mover. But I read that he's a mistake prone player. He's 22 years old!
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 12:18 PM ET
And those totals were accumalated playing 16 minutes a game. There is no question that this kid has the physical skill set to be a fine defensive defenseman in the League. That can add some secondary offense, and is a decent puck mover. But I read that he's a mistake prone player. He's 22 years old!
- MJL

That's 36 in Flyer years.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 29 @ 12:20 PM ET
Aw yeah, I was king of the road in the 'racing game' part of it
- BulliesPhan87


I used to mess up on purpose on the one car level where bugs would splat against the window for each mistake you made.

Ahh, simpler times.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 12:20 PM ET
what about guys like Allen, Kuba or Campoli?
- nastyflyergirl

The first two I wouldn't mind at the right price. Campoli I don't think so.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 12:21 PM ET
The first two I wouldn't mind at the right price. Campoli I don't think so.
- Marc D

I just hope we don't end up with a defense that is leadfooted.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jun 29 @ 12:21 PM ET
with the chips on the table, I sign Carle for anything less than $6 and I trade Mesz.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 29 @ 12:22 PM ET
I used to mess up on purpose on the one car level where bugs would splat against the window for each mistake you made.

Ahh, simpler times.

- funmaster18

Wait, the bugs were mistakes? And here I thought I was a world class typist/exterminator!
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 29 @ 12:24 PM ET
Amazing what 24hrs can do. We may lose Carle which in the end doesnt make or break us.


The Devils could lose Parise and Brodeur.........Marty Brodeur not a Devil? My Devil associates are struggling very hard with that idea. I think it's awesome

- aosplayo



how would you feel losing parise for zero return?

i'd be freaking out a bit.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 29 @ 12:24 PM ET
silly season just got serious
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 29 @ 12:24 PM ET
July 1st is closing in. Let the debates begin...
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 29 @ 12:25 PM ET
silly season just got serious
- Crimsoninja

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 29 @ 12:26 PM ET
with the chips on the table, I sign Carle for anything less than $6 and I trade Mesz.
- wilsonecho91


I would rather not. Signing Carle is an overpayment that comes with a NTC
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 29 @ 12:26 PM ET
how would you feel losing parise for zero return?

i'd be freaking out a bit.

- Don'tForgetTocchet

sucks for them

but tough to trade your captain in the midst of a 100pt season
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 29 @ 12:26 PM ET
Wait, the bugs were mistakes? And here I thought I was a world class typist/exterminator!
- BulliesPhan87


Wasn't the best way to motivate teenage boys to type correctly.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 29 @ 12:30 PM ET
sucks for them

but tough to trade your captain in the midst of a 100pt season

- Crimsoninja



FOPPA
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 29 @ 12:30 PM ET
The fact that he hasn't traded for anybody's rights and hasn't blown everything up in pursuit of Suter/Weber/Ryan/Nash etc yet speaks to a bit of a sea-change in his approach.

I'm 100% behind Homer's overarching vision, his adherence to the Flyer identity and his ability to evaluate and acquire talent -- however, it's been very hard to support his cap-bungling, poor asset management, and repeated mistakes in the details during his watch (Hyka, contract limits, tagging space, Lilja's multi-year deal triggering 35+, etc).

From where I'm standing though, it seems like he's learned some valuable lessons and the team will be better off for it in the future.

- Tomahawk



The problem is that mistakes aren't mistakes just because a fan labels them a mistake. For example, signing Lilja to a 2 year deal was not a mistake. It was a good value signing. And that was proven last Season. And there's no reason Lilja can't fill the same role this year. There is also a lot of a lack of understanding of the NHL CBA and Salary Cap out there.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 29 @ 12:32 PM ET
It wasn't a poor value deal at all. If Carle is leaving, I'm glad we have another proven NHL defenseman to plug into the lineup. Opportunities could be created for other players.
- MJL

yes, but who?
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 29 @ 12:32 PM ET
FOPPA
- Don'tForgetTocchet


Do you have to upset him this early in the day?
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 29 @ 12:32 PM ET
Do you have to upset him this early in the day?
- funmaster18



that usually gives him a boost, my bad.
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