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Mr.Forsberg
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada , BC
Joined: 06.28.2012

Jun 28 @ 2:08 AM ET
Schultz will get the standard highest-end entry level deal. What is it, $925k per season with a $250k signing bonus and a chance to earn bonuses up to $3.775mil during the season? Same deal Nuge got and Yakupov is about to get.
- Maxbone

He isn't going to be anything special, Toronto will be all over this guy.
o__o__o
Calgary Flames
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 12.27.2005

Jun 28 @ 2:09 AM ET
Considering the Dennis Wideman contract Feaster handed out today, I can't wait to read about the 12 year, $745mil deal he offers Ryan Suter on Sunday.
- Maxbone


Oh, good one!
SteveTambellini
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.31.2011

Jun 28 @ 2:09 AM ET
Considering the Dennis Wideman contract Feaster handed out today, I can't wait to read about the 12 year, $745mil deal he offers Ryan Suter on Sunday.
- Maxbone


The draft, still not getting anything for Iginla, now the Wideman contract.. Feaster is running that team into the ground at a record pace. I honestly feel bad for Calgary fans. I know that feel bro. It's like we are watching Kevin Lowe as GM of the Oilers all over again
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 28 @ 2:10 AM ET
He isn't going to be anything special, Toronto will be all over this guy.
- Mr.Forsberg


Nothing special? You've seem him play? Bob Mackenzie and just about every other knowledgeable hockey insider disagrees.
Mr.Forsberg
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada , BC
Joined: 06.28.2012

Jun 28 @ 2:10 AM ET
Oh, good one!
- o__o__o

Someone is going to give Matt Carle 6million a year cap hit. No wonder this league is going to get locked out.
Mr.Forsberg
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada , BC
Joined: 06.28.2012

Jun 28 @ 2:11 AM ET
Nothing special? You've seem him play? Bob Mackenzie and just about every other knowledgeable hockey insider disagrees.
- mochoson

Matt Gilroy
o__o__o
Calgary Flames
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 12.27.2005

Jun 28 @ 2:12 AM ET
Nothing special? You've seem him play? Bob Mackenzie and just about every other knowledgeable hockey insider disagrees.
- mochoson


Do a quick look back on their comments regarding draft picks and see how often they pan out.

mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 28 @ 2:12 AM ET
Matt Gilroy
- Mr.Forsberg


Was never drafted.

That's only the 23458342958th time I've had to tell that to someone today.
Mr.Forsberg
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada , BC
Joined: 06.28.2012

Jun 28 @ 2:13 AM ET
Was never drafted.

That's only the 23458342958th time I've had to tell that to someone today.

- mochoson

2nd round 43rd overall. The next Lidstrom.
SteveTambellini
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.31.2011

Jun 28 @ 2:13 AM ET
Was never drafted.

That's only the 23458342958th time I've had to tell that to someone today.

- mochoson


Plus, his final season in college he was 2 years older than Schultz is now, and Schultz put up significantly better numbers.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 28 @ 2:14 AM ET
Do a quick look back on their comments regarding draft picks and see how often they pan out.
- o__o__o


I dont know what comments your talking about. The comments I saw said he's ready to step into most teams Top 4 and will be the most sought after FA besides Suter and Parise.

And I've seen him play roughly 50 times over the past two years, but what do I know.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jun 28 @ 2:14 AM ET
Schultz is just one player, he is not going to instantly make Edmonton that much better, nor will he put Vancouver instantly over the top. He will have a steep learning curve to overcome because the speed of NCAA D1 is just one step below AHL levels. Being a PPG in the NCAA does not automatically translate to being the same in the NHL, I won't compare him to Gilroy because Gilroy was never drafted and had a much lower ceiling because he was older and had finished developing. D-men usually don't reach their potential until their late 20s, the Doughty's, Suters and Webers of the world notwithstanding. Anyone expecting Schultz to step into a top 4 role should be aware that it will take him at LEAST most of this season to learn the NHL game/system of the team that signs him/get chemistry with his D partner. It's not going to just happen overnight and chances are he won't contribute significantly until next year after he's had this year to get himself comfortable playing at this level.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 28 @ 2:15 AM ET
2nd round 43rd overall. The next Lidstrom.
- Mr.Forsberg


Nicklas Lidstrom was taken a round lower.

Anything else?
SteveTambellini
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.31.2011

Jun 28 @ 2:15 AM ET
Schultz is just one player, he is not going to instantly make Edmonton that much better, nor will he put Vancouver instantly over the top. He will have a steep learning curve to overcome because the speed of NCAA D1 is just one step below AHL levels. Being a PPG in the NCAA does not automatically translate to being the same in the NHL, I won't compare him to Gilroy because Gilroy was never drafted and had a much lower ceiling because he was older and had finished developing. D-men usually don't reach their potential until their late 20s, the Doughty's, Suters and Webers of the world notwithstanding. Anyone expecting Schultz to step into a top 4 role should be aware that it will take him at LEAST most of this season to learn the NHL game/system of the team that signs him/get chemistry with his D partner. It's not going to just happen overnight and chances are he won't contribute significantly until next year after he's had this year to get himself comfortable playing at this level.
- DariusKnight


If you had been forced to watch Cam Barker, Corey Potter, and Ryan Whitney all of last season, you wouldn't be saying that
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 28 @ 2:15 AM ET
Plus, his final season in college he was 2 years older than Schultz is now, and Schultz put up significantly better numbers.
- SteveTambellini


Facts are facts everywhere on hockeybuzz were facts are anything but facts.
Mr.Forsberg
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada , BC
Joined: 06.28.2012

Jun 28 @ 2:16 AM ET
Nicklas Lidstrom was taken a round lower.

Anything else?

- mochoson

Kids a bust, come to accept it, or face biter disappointment.
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jun 28 @ 2:17 AM ET
I agree. I would just as soon not sign him.

Who does this kid think he is? Bends the rules because he is a little female dog and doesn't want to play in Anaheim, and hasn't even played ONE professional hockey game, yet he thinks he's the poop. He wants to be guaranteed a spot on somebody's roster? (frank) him. You earn your spot in training camp like everybody else.

- SteveTambellini


Totally followed all the rules...
SteveTambellini
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.31.2011

Jun 28 @ 2:18 AM ET
Kids a bust, come to accept it, or face biter disappointment.
- Mr.Forsberg


Wow, you're right - look at his stats! 0 games played, 0 goals, 0 assists! It's almost like he's never played an NHL game. What a bust indeed!
o__o__o
Calgary Flames
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 12.27.2005

Jun 28 @ 2:18 AM ET
I dont know what comments your talking about. The comments I saw said he's ready to step into most teams Top 4 and will be the most sought after FA besides Suter and Parise.

And I've seen him play roughly 50 times over the past two years, but what do I know.

- mochoson


You misunderstand. Watch previous draft shows and see what all the analysts say about players.

You will see a common theme.....they do nothing but talk up how awesome these kids are and then most of them turn into busts.

Don't always take what the TSN panel says as truth for future outcome.
SteveTambellini
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.31.2011

Jun 28 @ 2:18 AM ET
Totally followed all the rules...
- Fosco


Did I say break or bend?
Mr.Forsberg
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada , BC
Joined: 06.28.2012

Jun 28 @ 2:18 AM ET
Wow, you're right - look at his stats! 0 games played, 0 goals, 0 assists! It's almost like he's never played an NHL game. What a bust indeed!
- SteveTambellini

Does good in a league lower in skill than the AHL. LOL
SteveTambellini
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.31.2011

Jun 28 @ 2:19 AM ET
Does good in a league lower in skill than the AHL. LOL
- Mr.Forsberg


You are quite literally the dumbest person I have ever encountered. Congratulations.

Nobody knows anything about him until we see play in the NHL. Fact. Not even you, oh wise one.
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jun 28 @ 2:19 AM ET
Matt Gilroy
- Mr.Forsberg


Undrafted 24 year old vs. 21-year-old, developed, highly-touted (by far more scouts and analysts than Gilroy was) 2nd round pick.

Totally different players and situations.
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Jun 28 @ 2:20 AM ET
Did I say break or bend?
- SteveTambellini


He didn't bend the rules. The rules were clearly stated, and he followed them...
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jun 28 @ 2:21 AM ET
Undrafted 24 year old vs. 21-year-old, developed, highly-touted (by far more scouts and analysts than Gilroy was) 2nd round pick.

Totally different players and situations.

- Fosco


Gilroy also had an injury history so that also played a factor
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