i totally believed these trade rumors until they suggested we refuse to give up adam



adam is garbage everyone knows wed forfeit him before ennis


the foligno ennis stafford line showed too much promise for them to break up....there isnt even room to debate for this ha
- HAMgerber

Really? The GM that never traded Tim Connolly would forfeit an AHL Rookie of the Year going into his third pro season? Interesting.

Really? The GM that never traded Tim Connolly would forfeit an AHL Rookie of the Year going into his third pro season? Interesting.
- PassionBucket16

the ahl means nothing


marc andre gragnani completely tore it up in the a and that has translated into nothing


marcus foligno put up ok #s in the a and then came to the nhl and all of the sudden was a monster


ray bourques son (recently traded to boston then signed) has been like a ppg player in the ahl over the last couple of years but just cant seem to hack it in the nhl


weve seen that luke adams potential has gone out the window...id dump him

the ahl means nothing


marc andre gragnani completely tore it up in the a and that has translated into nothing


marcus foligno put up ok #s in the a and then came to the nhl and all of the sudden was a monster


ray bourques son (recently traded to boston then signed) has been like a ppg player in the ahl over the last couple of years but just cant seem to hack it in the nhl



and, luke adam only put up good numbers when playing on the first line with pommer and vanek



a 6th grader could put up decent numbers playing with those two...gimme a break

weve seen that luke adams potential has gone out the window...id dump him
- HAMgerber

Elliotte Freidman said today that 8-10 very good players are available for trade. My attempt at a list

Ryan
Nash
Luongo
Marleau
Roy
P.Kane
E. Kane
Kesler
- CaptPantalones

I would go with Marleau because his contract is up at the same time as Vanek and Pominville, and I don't think it's going to take a heck of a lot to get him.
He would fit in at Center and the Wing.

Keep ennis and put hodgson in that deal... Ennis atleast has proven chemistry with 2 players..hodge was just floated.

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- theblueandgold

If i wasnt on my droid id do it blue...

How u doing tonight?

Got anything juicy to share.. i havent been on since 4ish ct...

If darcy is trying to do both trades... N gets both without giving up ennis, stafford, foligno, pommer, grigs, girgs, mcnabb, ehrhoff, myers, or miller.. ill love every second of it

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- theblueandgold

Finished in 1 minute 3 seconds. Nice try, sport.

Keep ennis and put hodgson in that deal... Ennis atleast has proven chemistry with 2 players..hodge was just floated.
- JVince11

A lot of people on here are wayyyy overvaluing Tyler Ennis. He played less than half a season at C and yes, he was lights out, but come on. He's by no means a sure bet to put up those numbers on a consistent basis. Ryan has scored 30+ goals in 4 consecutive seasons. That's a bonafide goal scorer. The team needs to score more goals. I'd trade Ennis as the primary piece to get him.

A lot of people on here are wayyyy overvaluing Tyler Ennis. He played less than half a season at C and yes, he was lights out, but come on. He's by no means a sure bet to put up those numbers on a consistent basis. Ryan has scored 30+ goals in 4 consecutive seasons. That's a bonafide goal scorer. The team needs to score more goals. I'd trade Ennis as the primary piece to get him.
- Pierceme69

one thing i have to say about ryan is at times he pulls a drew stafford and scores hat tricks in bunches. i did notice he has stretches of inactivity as well. i guess if i had perry, getzlaf and ryan, ryan would be the one i would trade for something else but he's still a damn good hockey player. it all depends on how much of the farm the sabres have to give up to get this guy, which is the big question.

one thing i have to say about ryan is at times he pulls a drew stafford and scores hat tricks in bunches. i did notice he has stretches of inactivity as well. i guess if i had perry, getzlaf and ryan, ryan would be the one i would trade for something else but he's still a damn good hockey player. it all depends on how much of the farm the sabres have to give up to get this guy, which is the big question.
- FIREonICE

Truth bomb.

If i wasnt on my droid id do it blue...

How u doing tonight?

Got anything juicy to share.. i havent been on since 4ish ct...

If darcy is trying to do both trades... N gets both without giving up ennis, stafford, foligno, pommer, grigs, girgs, mcnabb, ehrhoff, myers, or miller.. ill love every second of it
- JVince11

If ANA is trading Bobby Ryan, they will need/want a scoring winger to replace him. That winger could be Vanek straight up. They have 30M in cap space to sign 8-9 players, taking Vanek would bring that down to 28M for 8-9 players. Cap space/Vanek contract would not really be an issue. Change of scenery would do both players good. And on the stat sheet they are receiving the better goal scorer (comparing their first 5 seasons) although I think personally Ryan is a better pure goal scorer.

The rumored deal of asking for Ennis, Stafford, Grigorenko is absurd. Thats essentially two top 6 players and a 1st round pick. Even if Grigorenko isnt included in the deal and its another prospect, Darcy shouldnt make the move.

If I were Darcy, even though Vanek for Ryan is a fair trade, Id offer Vanek with some other parts that they might need for Ryan and a pick.

EX: Vanek, Adam, Weber for Ryan, 2nd.

If ANA is trading Bobby Ryan, they will need/want a scoring winger to replace him. That winger could be Vanek straight up. They have 30M in cap space to sign 8-9 players, taking Vanek would bring that down to 28M for 8-9 players. Cap space/Vanek contract would not really be an issue. Change of scenery would do both players good. And on the stat sheet they are receiving the better goal scorer (comparing their first 5 seasons) although I think personally Ryan is a better pure goal scorer.

The rumored deal of asking for Ennis, Stafford, Grigorenko is absurd. Thats essentially two top 6 players and a 1st round pick. Even if Grigorenko isnt included in the deal and its another prospect, Darcy shouldnt make the move.

If I were Darcy, even though Vanek for Ryan is a fair trade, Id offer Vanek with some other parts that they might need for Ryan and a pick.

EX: Vanek, Adam, Weber for Ryan, 2nd.
- theblueandgold

I would be shocked if Darcy gave them Ennis, Stafford, AND Grigorenko. What about just Ennis and Stafford? If we could flip Roy for Ott we'd become a pretty tough team. Would those moves make a player like Doan interested in landing in Buffalo to finish out his career?

If ANA is trading Bobby Ryan, they will need/want a scoring winger to replace him. That winger could be Vanek straight up. They have 30M in cap space to sign 8-9 players, taking Vanek would bring that down to 28M for 8-9 players. Cap space/Vanek contract would not really be an issue. Change of scenery would do both players good. And on the stat sheet they are receiving the better goal scorer (comparing their first 5 seasons) although I think personally Ryan is a better pure goal scorer.

The rumored deal of asking for Ennis, Stafford, Grigorenko is absurd. Thats essentially two top 6 players and a 1st round pick. Even if Grigorenko isnt included in the deal and its another prospect, Darcy shouldnt make the move.

If I were Darcy, even though Vanek for Ryan is a fair trade, Id offer Vanek with some other parts that they might need for Ryan and a pick.

EX: Vanek, Adam, Weber for Ryan, 2nd.
- theblueandgold

Sign me up... I for some reason think they r not trying to minus a winger to add a winger.. i think they realize how they are set now for 3 scoring lines they are missing a winger unless grigorenko is ready right away..

Vanek-hodge-pommer
Leino-grigs-??
Foligno-ennis-stafford

Unless ott is added n grigs is kicked to winger.. i think they r filling a void. If grigs isnt ready right away they would be in trouble amd gerbe/adam would have to really step up.

I would be shocked if Darcy gave them Ennis, Stafford, AND Grigorenko. What about just Ennis and Stafford? If we could flip Roy for Ott we'd become a pretty tough team. Would those moves make a player like Doan interested in landing in Buffalo to finish out his career?
- Pierceme69

Ennis and stafford... Thats too much for ryan alone.. if another prospect was coming back then maybe.. but u r talking about trading our 2 most productive 2nd half guys.. 27 and 25 pts in 27 games down the stretch..

That creates a hole while filling another which is exactly what regier said he didnt want to do

-1000000% chance grigs gets traded.

Ennis and stafford... Thats too much for ryan alone.. if another prospect was coming back then maybe.. but u r talking about trading our 2 most productive 2nd half guys.. 27 and 25 pts in 27 games down the stretch..

That creates a hole while filling another which is exactly what regier said he didnt want to do

-1000000% chance grigs gets traded.
- JVince11

Do you really trust Stafford to show any type of consistency? I don't. We'd be giving up a guy who wasn't very good at wing and had a good run of 25 games or so as a center and a guy who was a ghost most of last season except that same 25 games for a 30+ goal scorer the last 4 years. If they then trade Roy for Ott you have something like:

Vanek-Hodgson-Pominville
Leino-Grigorenko-Ryan
Foligno-Ott-Gerbe
Tropp-McCormick-Kaleta

Now if you can entice Doan due to our signings you can drop Tropp or Kaleta off the 4th line move down Gerbe and pencil Doan in on the 3rd line. That is a tough. gritty lineup with scoring. I love it personally.

Do you really trust Stafford to show any type of consistency? I don't. We'd be giving up a guy who wasn't very good at wing and had a good run of 25 games or so as a center and a guy who was a ghost most of last season except that same 25 games for a 30+ goal scorer the last 4 years. If they then trade Roy for Ott you have something like:

Vanek-Hodgson-Pominville
Leino-Grigorenko-Ryan
Foligno-Ott-Gerbe
Tropp-McCormick-Kaleta

Now if you can entice Doan due to our signings you can drop Tropp or Kaleta off the 4th line move down Gerbe and pencil Doan in on the 3rd line. That is a tough. gritty lineup with scoring. I love it personally.
- Pierceme69

IMO that's a huge gamble on a line-up that's once again weak up the middle. We have to bank on the fact that hodgson can be a number 1 center and grigorenko can not only play a full season but play in the top 6. If one of them gets injured we're in big trouble.

I would be shocked if Darcy gave them Ennis, Stafford, AND Grigorenko. What about just Ennis and Stafford? If we could flip Roy for Ott we'd become a pretty tough team. Would those moves make a player like Doan interested in landing in Buffalo to finish out his career?
- Pierceme69

Ennis and Stafford for Ryan is close to a fair trade. I think ANA wins that deal based on Ennis. However, I doubt Anaheim feels that would be a fair trade.

Ennis and stafford... Thats too much for ryan alone.. if another prospect was coming back then maybe.. but u r talking about trading our 2 most productive 2nd half guys.. 27 and 25 pts in 27 games down the stretch..

That creates a hole while filling another which is exactly what regier said he didnt want to do

-1000000% chance grigs gets traded.
- JVince11

Which Darcy already mentioned "affecting chemistry" when talking about trades prior to the draft. Ennis and Stafford have been sought after, but Darcy is hesitant about trading them based on that lines production post trade deadline last year.

Cant say I blame him. I wouldnt trade Ennis and Stafford for Ryan. If I am Darcy, Im swapping Vanek for Ryan straight up. Nothing else.

I want Doan, wait I lied.

Do you really trust Stafford to show any type of consistency? I don't. We'd be giving up a guy who wasn't very good at wing and had a good run of 25 games or so as a center and a guy who was a ghost most of last season except that same 25 games for a 30+ goal scorer the last 4 years. If they then trade Roy for Ott you have something like:

Vanek-Hodgson-Pominville
Leino-Grigorenko-Ryan
Foligno-Ott-Gerbe
Tropp-McCormick-Kaleta

Now if you can entice Doan due to our signings you can drop Tropp or Kaleta off the 4th line move down Gerbe and pencil Doan in on the 3rd line. That is a tough. gritty lineup with scoring. I love it personally.
- Pierceme69

Stafford got a girl prego i heard and thats why he was barely there mentally.. but i agree with u that he is a gamble to stay form.. he had 31 goals in 2010 n still 25 this year even with only playing about 25 games..

Personally id put foligno on the 2nd line w grigs and ryan.. leino mentioned he really likes gerbe to play with.

Grigs is a huge gamble and so is not having injuries.. both catenacci and sundher will be in rochester this year and possibly armia akd girgenous.. that team will be stacked!! Thats not to mention pysyk, gdl and brennan.

Every insider says roy will never wear blue/gold again.. darcy just is waiting on when to use him. If ennis amd roy are traded i think a guy like olli, arnott, or another 2c/3c tier center could be targeted in ufa

Ennis and Stafford for Ryan is close to a fair trade. I think ANA wins that deal based on Ennis. However, I doubt Anaheim feels that would be a fair trade.
- theblueandgold

Us giving up 2 very good 2nd line players who just found a connection is too much IMO.

Id give a top 6, a dmen, a prospect outside of mcnabb, and a pick..

Id give stafford before i give ennis at this point..

Stafford, sekera or adam/pysyk, and a 1st or 2nd rdr... Take it or leave it anaheim.

IMO that's a huge gamble on a line-up that's once again weak up the middle. We have to bank on the fact that hodgson can be a number 1 center and grigorenko can not only play a full season but play in the top 6. If one of them gets injured we're in big trouble.
- sabrebuzz8

If they get rid of Roy, which seems to be almost a foregone conclusion, we're already banking on two unproven centers. What's the difference? If people want to anoint Ennis as a top 2 center, then so be it, but I would like to see more than 25 games out of him before I accept that. He was good as a wing for 25 games as a rookie and then he tailed off.

Us giving up 2 very good 2nd line players who just found a connection is too much IMO.

Id give a top 6, a dmen, a prospect outside of mcnabb, and a pick..

Id give stafford before i give ennis at this point..

Stafford, sekera or adam/pysyk, and a 1st or 2nd rdr... Take it or leave it anaheim.
- JVince11

ryan will not get that much, i really like the kid, but people are overvaluing him. Literally giving up more than would it cost to get an actually superstar like Kovie a few years ago.

ryan will not get that much, i really like the kid, but people are overvaluing him. Literally giving up more than would it cost to get an actually superstar like Kovie a few years ago.
- Mentalorgasm5

I think just the opposite. People are overvaluing Ennis and Stafford.