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Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jun 27 @ 10:37 AM ET
I really feel Bryce Salvador is a viable option if we trade mezzo to upgrade with Ryan
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 10:39 AM ET
I really feel Bryce Salvador is a viable option if we trade mezzo to upgrade with Ryan
- Deasr1



He had a great playoff run.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jun 27 @ 10:40 AM ET
Stay the course

Jagr coming back for a second year is not a bad thing

- phi1671


so we're back to

Hartnell - Giroux - Jagr
Read - Briere - Voracek
Simmonds - Coots - Schenn
Rinaldo - Talbot - Wellwood

Timonen - Carle
Grossmann - Coburn
Meszaros - Schenn
Gus - MAB
Lilja

not bad at all.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jun 27 @ 10:40 AM ET
I really feel Bryce Salvador is a viable option if we trade mezzo to upgrade with Ryan
- Deasr1


I'd love to sign him. The only problem -- he'll get a lot with his awesome playoff performance.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jun 27 @ 10:42 AM ET
I really feel Bryce Salvador is a viable option if we trade mezzo to upgrade with Ryan
- Deasr1


No thanks. He is a solid defenseman but he's sure to be overpaid by anyone who signs him because of his play in the postseason. I'd rather use Lilja/Bourdon/Gustafsson as the 6th dman for the cap hit.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jun 27 @ 10:43 AM ET
so we're back to

Hartnell - Giroux - Jagr
Read - Briere - Voracek
Simmonds - Coots - Schenn
Rinaldo - Talbot - Wellwood

Timonen - Carle
Grossmann - Coburn
Meszaros - Schenn
Gus - MAB
Lilja

not bad at all.

- flyersfan51


I'd like another bottom 6 gritty forward too.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 27 @ 10:44 AM ET
I'd be happy with that result. However I think Holmgren is going to try and do something. I have no idea what.
- MJL


Something should be "some things"...I think it depends on what happens in free agency. im sure there is plan A, plan B, plan C
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 27 @ 10:46 AM ET
I really feel Bryce Salvador is a viable option if we trade mezzo to upgrade with Ryan
- Deasr1


Well, getting Schultz and dealing Meszy would be more ideal, but I have no idea where the Flyers stand on that front.

There are othr viable options via FA too. Garrison for instance.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jun 27 @ 10:46 AM ET
I'd like another bottom 6 gritty forward too.
- NickTheKid87


anybody out there?
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 27 @ 10:47 AM ET
IF the Flyers dealt Jake and Meszy, they'd actually gain cap space. That would become a wash if Carle were re-signed, but they'd still have around $8-9 million to work with.

You could easily go out and get a guy like Doan or Garrison for $4-$4.5 million per too.
huks99
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Austin, TX
Joined: 10.05.2007

Jun 27 @ 10:48 AM ET
Bill,

Great blob!!!!!!

When reading and looking at the info about the amount we spend on our defense and how much more we spend vs. the rest and how we don't draft and develop our defense as well.... my thoughts went to our offense and how little we spend on it and how much bang for our buck we get from dollars spent their vs. our competition(think about how much the rangers spend on offense and they seem not to score at all)... most of those teams listed in the article spend to the cap(we all have the same dollars) it just how we allocate those dollars. If we suck at developing defense and have to spend on UFA's for defense ....we make up for it on the Offense side of the puck..... I thought we were one of the highest scoring teams in the league and we spent the fewest dollars on offense.....so I guess my point would be spend money where you need to, fill holes, but spend money on good players and win games. Defense---offense who cares....you can win games 6-5 or 2-1 ------ a win is still a win!!!

I really think results a team has goals score or defense is not where the money allocation but more of the system the team plays.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 27 @ 10:49 AM ET
What kind of contract are we thinking Carle will sign with the Flyers? Can't be anymore than the $4.5 mill Coburn signed right?
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 27 @ 10:49 AM ET
bill, did you see BB25 was compiling the same info in the thread yesterday

great minds think alike i guess

- Don'tForgetTocchet




btw, not the least bit surprisingly, Bill did a much better job with the numbers than I did.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 27 @ 10:50 AM ET
What kind of contract are we thinking Carle will sign with the Flyers? Can't be anymore than the $4.5 mill Coburn signed right?
- Flyers2821


Rumored cap hit is between $4.25-$4.75 million.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jun 27 @ 10:50 AM ET
anybody out there?
- flyersfan51


Gaustad (but he'll probably want too much), Moen, McClement, Burish, Moore, Winnik, Kostopulos are some of the guys I like out there.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 27 @ 10:50 AM ET
IF the Flyers dealt Jake and Meszy, they'd actually gain cap space. That would become a wash if Carle were re-signed, but they'd still have around $8-9 million to work with.

You could easily go out and get a guy like Doan or Garrison for $4-$4.5 million per too.

- LordStanley88


I guess we're rebuilding the team every year still?
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jun 27 @ 10:51 AM ET
IF the Flyers dealt Jake and Meszy, they'd actually gain cap space. That would become a wash if Carle were re-signed, but they'd still have around $8-9 million to work with.

You could easily go out and get a guy like Doan or Garrison for $4-$4.5 million per too.

- LordStanley88


Trading Voracek would be foolish though.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 27 @ 10:51 AM ET
Gaustad (but he'll probably want too much), Moen, McClement, Burish, Moore, Winnik, Kostopulos are some of the guys I like out there.
- NickTheKid87


Prusty too. The Flyers have heavy interest in him.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 27 @ 10:51 AM ET
Trading Voracek would be foolish though.
- NickTheKid87


Not for Ryan IMO.

I'd prefer to deal Read though.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 27 @ 10:51 AM ET
so we're back to

Hartnell - Giroux - Jagr
Read - Briere - Voracek
Simmonds - Coots - Schenn
Rinaldo - Talbot - Wellwood

Timonen - Carle
Grossmann - Coburn
Meszaros - Schenn
Gus - MAB
Lilja

not bad at all.

- flyersfan51



So you are just gonna come back with the same exact roster plus Schenn?



It is time to move on past Jagr. They need to bring in some new offensive blood, never was a fan of coming back with the exact same roster. Change is good.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 27 @ 10:52 AM ET
Trading Voracek would be foolish though.
- NickTheKid87


Voracek is SO overrated by Flyers fans.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 27 @ 10:52 AM ET
I guess we're rebuilding the team every year still?
- funmaster18


No, but I'd like them to add a front-line winger to pair with Giroux for the next decade.

They traded away the guy that could've been the answer there though.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 10:52 AM ET
Not for Ryan IMO.

I'd prefer to deal Read though.

- LordStanley88



Dealing Read would be a mistake in my opinion. They need to keep him for his value.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 27 @ 10:52 AM ET
Voracek is SO overrated by Flyers fans.
- Flyers2821



How so?
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 27 @ 10:53 AM ET
Dealing Read would be a mistake in my opinion. They need to keep him for his value.
- MJL


You'd rather keep Read over Voracek simply because of his cap hit?
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