I think the players themselves have to commit to playing better defensively. And paying more attention to detail.
- MJL

Youth was a major factor last season. When the playoffs come around the games get tighter (minus Pittsburgh series). You have to play both ends of the ice to have a chance.

I think the players themselves have to commit to playing better defensively. And paying more attention to detail.
- MJL

I'm not implying this but do you think the system breeds defensive neglect?

I'm not implying this but do you think the system breeds defensive neglect?
- JoeRussomanno

he'll say it's the players, he's said it before,

You dont consistently make the playoffs and have over 100 points without knowing your direction and/or having a style. Just my thought.

*slowly walks away*
- stveshdy

I think the Flyers ownership and management wants to field a physical team that is tough to play against and can win. They have for years had defensive, forechecking teams under Keenan, Neilsson, Murray, Hitchcock and to an extent Stevens.

I think the more offensive system under Lavy can look like it has no direction because one game they will play brilliantly in all facets of the games like game 6 vs Pittsburgh and then come out an play completely different a few nights later. This makes the team look like they have ADHD.

The Flyers spend the money and will do whatever it takes to win. I appreciate that and they can do that unlike some of other teams. That also plays a large part into securing talent to fielding perennial playoff teams

whatever, ok, so they are consistent in there thinking & planning, & being objective is the only way to be.

I'm incorrect, fine, lets run with it.
- puckhead17

HE's not saying what he's doing is correct and you are incorrect for not doing it, he's saying you're misunderstanding him in that he doesn't always support what they do.

HE's not saying what he's doing is correct and you are incorrect for not doing it, he's saying you're misunderstanding him in that he doesn't always support what they do.
- JoeRussomanno

But we're armchair quarterbacks if we complain about the complete change in direction, philosophy & planning, o and strategy

But we're armchair quarterbacks if we complain about the complete change in direction, philosophy & planning
- puckhead17

well yea

Yes they do, And I know they do. The Pronger trade wasn't a change in philosophy. Not even close to it. It was addressing a need. No different from LA trading youth for Richards and Carter.

Every team has areas of weakness. Every team has failures at the draft. Your being completely reactionary. You want them to get a #1 defenseman. Then complain when they do.

The Flyers and Holmgren aren't the only team that makes mistakes. They all do. I'll take a team that is aggressive, and tries to win every year. Maybe you'd be happier with a GM such as the one they have in Columbus.
- MJL

- really? trading a 25-6 yr old guy for a 24 and a 21 yr old is comparable to what we did w/ pronger?

- I don't call an opinion that I formed 3-4 yrs ago and have had confirmed repeatedly being reactionary. that's simply laughable.

- now you're generalizing about a study of the obvious.

it is clear that the flyers are reactionary in the basic core of their philosophy and that they have deficits that have lasted for decades. I think an org approach like that of some of the cup teams that I mentioned earlier would give us a better chance of actually winning a one and I'll feel that way until they prove me wrong...call it a win/win situation.

what's also clear is my point is so well taken and your replies so ineffectual, that I think you should call it a night...so good night.

well yea
- JoeRussomanno

i hear ya.......it is bullshi&, when you go from Hitch to Lavy you have no plan, your winging it, remember when JR was here, he hated playing for Hitch, no offense, no chances, but we switch gears to an offensive guy & look at how many breakaways we gave up last year alone.

again, I didn't hire them, nor did i applaud either move, it's just, who are we & what is our philosophy?

If Carle signs what are the pairings on D. Please list the offensive, puck moving Dman first. I'd say:

Timonen/coburn
Carle/Schenn
Mezzaros/Grossman

Does that make sense?

well yea
- JoeRussomanno

I'll close out with this:

I hate the fuc&ing devils more than anything, but do you see them switch gears, philosophy, or strategy? No, Lou the GM is pretty much the same, sticks to the same blueprint no matter what, even when they have a bad year or 2.

i hear ya.......it is bullshi&, when you go from Hitch to Lavy you have no plan, your winging it, remember when JR was here, he hated playing for Hitch, no offense, no chances, but we switch gears to an offensive guy & look at how many breakaways we gave up last year alone.

again, I didn't hire them, nor did i applaud either move, it's just, who are we & what is our philosophy?
- puckhead17

you do have a right to be frustrated. I think what he means though is when fans whine and cry about the flyers doing something, i.e getting a goalie, and they do and people cry about it because the guy hits a rough patch like all goalies do, he finds that annoying. Frankly I can empathize.

Now I wanted the Flyers to get Pronger since like 1996 hell I used to tell people as much as I loved Lindross I would have done a straight up swap. Then a decade later we get Pronger, and well.... So being that I lobbied for him as a fan, I take the responsibility to not female dog about that trade not being worth it now.

I'll close out with this:

I hate the fuc&ing devils more than anything, but do you see them switch gears, philosophy, or strategy? No, Lou the GM is pretty much the same, sticks to the same blueprint no matter what, even when they have a bad year or 2.
- puckhead17

Oh I fo sho would love the Flyers to use Lou's modus operandi

you do have a right to be frustrated. I think what he means though is when fans whine and cry about the flyers doing something, i.e getting a goalie, and they do and people cry about it because the guy hits a rough patch like all goalies do, he finds that annoying. Frankly I can empathize.

Now I wanted the Flyers to get Pronger since like 1996 hell I used to tell people as much as I loved Lindross I would have done a straight up swap. Then a decade later we get Pronger, and well.... So being that I lobbied for him as a fan, I take the responsibility to not female dog about that trade not being worth it now.
- JoeRussomanno

O I hear you, I loved Pronger as well!!, When he was a BLUE, not when he was 36 years old, when he was a Blue, he was the best!!
I also love Roenick & Amonte when they were Blackhawks! not in there mid 30's as well!

you do have a right to be frustrated. I think what he means though is when fans whine and cry about the flyers doing something, i.e getting a goalie, and they do and people cry about it because the guy hits a rough patch like all goalies do, he finds that annoying. Frankly I can empathize.

Now I wanted the Flyers to get Pronger since like 1996 hell I used to tell people as much as I loved Lindross I would have done a straight up swap. Then a decade later we get Pronger, and well.... So being that I lobbied for him as a fan, I take the responsibility to not female dog about that trade not being worth it now.
- JoeRussomanno

i think the trade for prongs was worth it. you'd have to be a psychic to foresee his amazingly bad luck with injuries. it's not like he was traded here with two degenerative knees, he was healthy. the injuries were sheer bad luck and unfortunate.

i think the trade for prongs was worth it. you'd have to be a psychic to foresee his amazingly bad luck with injuries. it's not like he was traded here with two degenerative knees, he was healthy. the injuries were sheer bad luck and unfortunate.
- flyerscup2011

I think the price that we paid was too high and the chicken has come home to roost. Even if he didn't have that freak concussion last year, a player in his mid to late 30's is most likely going to see a decline. Hey, they took a risk that came real close to paying off and who knows what happens if Emery stays healthy.

I think the price that we paid was too high and the chicken has come home to roost. Even if he didn't have that freak concussion last year, a player in his mid to late 30's is most likely going to see a decline. Hey, they took a risk that came real close to paying off and who knows what happens if Emery stays healthy.
- JoeRussomanno

you take the same risk with any other player you sign/draft/trade for. it's unfortunate and had leighton not poop the bed in the scf, it would have paid off immediately.

what's the compensation for an RFA with qualifying offer? For example, If ryan O'reilly has a qualifying offer what's the compensation if you beat it and he accepts?

O I hear you, I loved Pronger as well!!, When he was a BLUE, not when he was 36 years old, when he was a Blue, he was the best!!
I also love Roenick & Amonte when they were Blackhawks! not in there mid 30's as well!
- puckhead17

I loved Pronger, Roenick and Amonte just fine while they were here.

you take the same risk with any other player you sign/draft/trade for. it's unfortunate and had leighton not poop the bed in the scf, it would have paid off immediately.
- flyerscup2011

taking a risk on a 35 year old player isn't the same as one on a player 15 years younger.

OK Cap geeks I need help actually increasing the blue line number by adding Sutter and trading Mezz and Bourdon/Gustafson while still signing Carle and Voracek. Need to cough up pick(s), Mezz and one of Bourdon/Gustafson to land a young, cheap winger with 3rd+ line ability. That's the goal.

upgrade on lilja and bourdon? yeah, but did we have to use an asset like JVR for just schenn and nothing more? I don't think so and I would have rather held my cards and waitied until after July 1. schenn is our 5th best dman if carle is re-signed. let's see what happens from here on out.
- isaiah520

How is Schenn declared our 5th best d man already when he hasnt even played a game yet for us? This post is laughable. Already declare that he is bad. Everyone needs to give the kid a chance. Good lord

The more I go over the forwards, I just can't see how the Flyers not making a move for another forward some how.

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
B.Schenn-Briere-Simmonds
Wellwood-Couturier-Read
Sestito-Talbot-Rinaldo
Shelley

Wellwood playing in the top 9 isn't a very good idea and if we have him center the 4th line...well, that's a pretty useless 4th line. I'm sorry, am I missing a player? Is this really what's left over right now??

The more I go over the forwards, I just can't see how the Flyers not making a move for another forward some how.

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Briere-Simmonds
Wellwood-Couturier-Read
Sestito-Talbot-Rinaldo

Wellwood playing in the top 9 isn't a very good idea and if we have him center the 4th line...well, that's a pretty useless 4th line. I'm sorry, am I missing a player? Is this really what's left over right now??
- Schenn2shine

I think homer will get another forward, but when sestito was healthy and playing with rinaldo last season, they were destroying everyone and wearing them out, I loved it.

I think homer will get another forward, but when sestito was healthy and playing with rinaldo last season, they were destroying everyone and wearing them out, I loved it.
- Richieattack18

I agree totally but it's still a line that deserves very limited minutes.

I just can't help but look at that depth of forwards and be disappointed.