Well there was Stevens in between. And when Laviolette was hired, it was what a great system. So much better then Stevens We need to be more aggressive. And there was a buzz phrase thrown around. 'Hunt the puck" Now, we need to tweak the system and become more defensive. Same with player moves. Get a Goalie! Why'd you get that Goalie.
- MJL

I'm just asking for the forwards to backcheck as hard as they forecheck. Hustle your butt back and play at both ends of the ice.

Out of those players maybe they gave up on williams, can't remeber that trade, but the others weren't giving up. Gagne made too much money for being injured all the time, still is. Sharp was moved so he could play some where else, hitchcock didn't like him, clarke did him a favor. Carter i would've traded for just the 8th pick. I wouldn't have dealt richards but the return was great and giroux was ready to take over the team.
- twotoekenn

They had to move Richards and Carter. They couldn't chance being stuck with those contracts and those players needed a change too. Williams was injury prone and moved to acquire Danny Markov which was needed. In fact after the lock out, Caroilina only resigned Williams to a 1 year deal which shows they didnt have a ton of faith in him- he did respond with a great year and won the Cup. I like Justin Williams as a player but understand that deal.

you can squeeze a few others in there like:

when we went smaller for speed

then Boston won and oops, need to get big again.

I want to win as well, badly, but I'm feeling like a stepford fan, yes, ok, good move, we'll see, thank you, great, ok, wow, umm ok.
- puckhead17

indeed. after some of the head scratching/turning moves the team has made, most here jumped right on that very theme.

no, it was about a comprehensive org philosophy...and if MR snider is part of that problem - fine, but it's still a problem.
- isaiah520

Hey now. When Ed is paying the checks its your duty to listen and then do whats asked.

no they don't and you know it. the pronger trade was another change in philosophy (never trade youth unless youth is coming back).

they put it together every yr for a nice run, but they often rush prospects and squander assets because they are backed into a corner. he's a seat of your pants GM and the flyers are a team that has failed to draft/develop a dman or a goalie for close to 2 decades. I described the orgs strengths earlier and they have kept them in contention.

In short, they lack patience as an org, tend to be capricious and that's been conclusively demonstrated. we can do better, IMO.
- isaiah520

Yes they do, And I know they do. The Pronger trade wasn't a change in philosophy. Not even close to it. It was addressing a need. No different from LA trading youth for Richards and Carter.

Every team has areas of weakness. Every team has failures at the draft. Your being completely reactionary. You want them to get a #1 defenseman. Then complain when they do.

The Flyers and Holmgren aren't the only team that makes mistakes. They all do. I'll take a team that is aggressive, and tries to win every year. Maybe you'd be happier with a GM such as the one they have in Columbus.

no, it was about a comprehensive org philosophy...and if MR snider is part of that problem - fine, but it's still a problem.
- isaiah520

They have a philosophy in place. And that is to try and win. And in my opinion, that isn't a problem.

Yes they do, And I know they do. The Pronger trade wasn't a change in philosophy. Not even close to it. It was addressing a need. No different from LA trading youth for Richards and Carter.

Every team has areas of weakness. Every team has failures at the draft. Your being completely reactionary. You want them to get a #1 defenseman. Then complain when they do.

The Flyers and Holmgren aren't the only team that makes mistakes. They all do. I'll take a team that is aggressive, and tries to win every year. Maybe you'd be happier with a GM such as the one they have in Columbus.
- MJL

Clueless.

Clueless.
- stveshdy

It was the scouts faults! Damn guys lied to him!

I would prefer they get a specific style of play i.e defensive, offensive, trap the life out of you, score 8 or 9 goals give up 7 or 8, whatever, just stick with it. I think that's what he's trying to say, so to speak maybe not literally but yea, they need to get more continuity. I was just thinking that the other day.
- JoeRussomanno

A buddy of my contests the Flyers have ADHD and have no idea what style they want to play.

I think the team just tries to find pieces that fit the specific system or style of the coach. With Hitchcock and Stevens it was more defensive oriented, with Lavy it is more offensive minded.

Well there was Stevens in between. And when Laviolette was hired, it was what a great system. So much better then Stevens We need to be more aggressive. And there was a buzz phrase thrown around. 'Hunt the puck" Now, we need to tweak the system and become more defensive. Same with player moves. Get a Goalie! Why'd you get that Goalie.
- MJL

An identity of our own & sticking by it is what the feeling is, (I never said to hunt the puck), & I never said great system either, I dont think Holmgren or Clarke either had a concrete plan & stuck to it no matter what.

are you on there payroll? because no matter what they do, your dead on the idea, no matter what, as fans we can question shi&, when we care so much

A buddy of my contests the Flyers have ADHD and have no idea what style they want to play.
- sulshawn

You dont consistently make the playoffs and have over 100 points without knowing your direction and/or having a style. Just my thought.

*slowly walks away*

A buddy of my contests the Flyers have ADHD and have no idea what style they want to play.
- sulshawn

I am begrudgingly in agreement with this Personally i WISH they never fired Hitch. But now that Lavy's here we gotta give him at least two more years. Then if you decide he's not the guy then what? I would like for lavy to get his players more defensively aware is all I ask of him this season.

You dont consistently make the playoffs and have over 100 points without knowing your direction and/or having a style. Just my thought.

*slowly walks away*
- stveshdy

That's a good point too, but when we are changing playing styles every 3 years it might be counter productive.

That's a good point too, but when we are changing playing styles every 3 years it might be counter productive.
- JoeRussomanno

Thats true. Other than the year the Flyers drafted JvR they have been consistently winning every year. Zero cups to show for it though.

An identity of our own & sticking by it is what the feeling is, (I never said to hunt the puck), & I never said great system either, I dont think Holmgren or Clarke either had a concrete plan & stuck to it no matter what.

are you on there payroll? because no matter what they do, your dead on the idea, no matter what, as fans we can question shi&, when we care so much
- puckhead17

I wasn't inferring that you said any of that. I was simply stating what was said in general by many here. Bottom line is if the results aren't what is expected. then the complaints start. And they usually go in a big circle. Such as we need to get more aggressive. Then when that doesn't work out. We need to tweak the system to get better defensively.And then back the other way again.

And as far as me being dead on the idea. I've said on this very thread, that I wouldn't have traded JVR for Schenn. I also stated as I did when they were made. That I wouldnt have traded Richards and Carter. So your obviously incorrect there.

I am begrudgingly in agreement with this Personally i WISH they never fired Hitch. But now that Lavy's here we gotta give him at least two more years. Then if you decide he's not the guy then what? I would like for lavy to get his players more defensively aware is all I ask of him this season.
- JoeRussomanno

agreed, but it's not like the coaches were similar, bot polar opposites, huh?
Do we do what we believe in?
or copy what we see successful Dujour?

You dont consistently make the playoffs and have over 100 points without knowing your direction and/or having a style. Just my thought.

*slowly walks away*
- stveshdy

I wasn't inferring that you said any of that. I was simply stating what was said in general by many here. Bottom line is if the results aren't what is expected. then the complaints start. And they usually go in a big circle. Such as we need to get more aggressive. Then when that doesn't work out. We need to tweak the system to get better defensively.And then back the other way again.

And as far as me being dead on the idea. I've said on this very thread, that I wouldn't have traded JVR for Schenn. I also stated as I did when they were made. That I wouldnt have traded Richards and Carter. So your obviously incorrect there.
- MJL

It's ok for you to disagree with what they do, it just seems like you back what they do no matter what, whether you agree or not, and the way they switch gears so often is frustrating.

remember Homer when Detroit won? he believed that was a good idea to have a shi&&y goalie, then what when someone else won?

- MJL

what do you suggest Lavy do to get these guys to play better defensively, within the limits of his system, if that's even the proper wording for it?

what do you suggest Lavy do to get these guys to play better defensively, within the limits of his system, if that's even the proper wording for it?
- JoeRussomanno

yeah, really

imagine Briere playing in Tampa's trap

It's ok for you to disagree with what they do, it just seems like you back what they do no matter what, whether you agree or not, and the way they switch gears so often is frustrating.
- puckhead17

Again, just the fact that I've stated that I wouldn't have made the JVR, or Richards and Carter deals. Proves that you are incorrect in saying it just seems that I back what they do no matter what. What I try to do is to be objective. And not Monday morning quarter back every move. And complain that they need a Goalie, and then when they get one. Complain that they changed philosophies and got a Goalie,

yeah, really

imagine Briere playing in Tampa's trap
- puckhead17

He would definately be the player in the front of the 1-3-1

agreed, but it's not like the coaches were similar, bot polar opposites, huh?
Do we do what we believe in?
or copy what we see successful Dujour?
- puckhead17

I would prefer balance. As in playing both ends of the ice competently, while stocking your roster with the right players for the job. That also doesn't mean go and overpay for players. Really, who's the superstars on the Devils? Parise and Kovalchuk, two guys. Brodeur is not what he used to be, and that team did a lot of good things this year. In fact I would like for the Flyers to follow that M.O which the Devils operate. That's just my opine.

what do you suggest Lavy do to get these guys to play better defensively, within the limits of his system, if that's even the proper wording for it?
- JoeRussomanno

I think the players themselves have to commit to playing better defensively. And paying more attention to detail.

Again, just the fact that I've stated that I wouldn't have made the JVR, or Richards and Carter deals. Proves that you are incorrect in saying it just seems that I back what they do no matter what. What I try to do is to be objective. And not Monday morning quarter back every move. And complain that they need a Goalie, and then when they get one. Complain that they changed philosophies and got a Goalie,
- MJL

whatever, ok, so they are consistent in there thinking & planning, & being objective is the only way to be.

I'm incorrect, fine, lets run with it.