As one player player has an off year, another player has a big year. And it will vary through the Season. A player like Brayden Schenn is likely to make a big jump. I expect Couturier to have the same solid two way game. Voracek is going to get better and better.

And before I decide whether they got better or stayed the same. I'm going to let the Off Season play out. Were a long way from even beginning to be able to speculate about that. The Off Season has just begun.
- MJL

We have no choice but to believe anything else. True or not true. I would hope we don't enter the season simply just by re-signing our own and that's it.

We have no choice but to believe anything else. True or not true. I would hope we don't enter the season simply just by re-signing our own and that's it.
- Schenn2shine

I'd have no problem with it. What we already have is a very good team.

I'd have no problem with it. What we already have is a very good team.
- MJL

I'd like to see an upgrade to Jagr but I'm not holding my breath. Parise isn't signing here and I'm not too keen on Doan or Semin.

So yes, as I was saying earlier from my cell phone at work, I feel we've taken possible steps back by making the Luke Schenn trade. Schenn can hit and block shots but so could Jason Smith. We didn't get better, we stayed the same. For those going against a big move for Nash or Ryan, what did we get for Coburn and Meszaros to begin with? I think we should be open minded to all moves. If we forget about younger or even bring him back at the age that he is, we're asking for more from Voracek, who I believe is a second line player. Also as stated, the sophomore jinx. I'm expected one of Schenn, Couturier and Read to be a disappointment. I'm also not expecting for Hartnell to reach 37 again and Talbot 19 again. If a difference maker doesn't come in, we very well could have lost a lot of goals.
- Schenn2shine

schenn is an upgrade in that he is our 5th best dman w/ carle in the mix. but mostly i agree and you can add simmonds to that list as well. if homer is going for it almost every yr and is constantly walking a tightrope with the cap, we need to see significant improvement or at least a real promise of that, not a downgrade...and that's where we are at now.

I'd have no problem with it. What we already have is a very good team.
- MJL

The idea was to replace Pronger and we didn't. We didn't get better on D, we stayed exactly the same. Then we divided JvR and Jagr. Voracek, Schenn, Couturier and Read will get better but will they be leaps and bounds better? How long did it take for Giroux to become what he is today. I have no doubt in my mind that a long term injury could occur and these guys will struggle as they find their ways in the NHL. We need more. No question.

schenn is an upgrade in that he is our 5th best dman w/ carle in the mix. but mostly i agree and you can add simmonds to that list as well. if homer is going for it almost every yr and is constantly walking a tightrope with the cap, we need to see significant improvement or at least a real promise of that, not a downgrade...and that's where we are at now.
- isaiah520

Without question. Giroux was fantastic but would you as well as others feel more comfortable with having Giroux play with players his own speed and plays at the same level? The line of Giroux, Hartnell and Jagr were awesome but just think how much better Giroux should do this upcoming season by playing with a Ryan, Nash or Parise.

schenn is an upgrade in that he is our 5th best dman w/ carle in the mix. but mostly i agree and you can add simmonds to that list as well. if homer is going for it almost every yr and is constantly walking a tightrope with the cap, we need to see significant improvement or at least a real promise of that, not a downgrade...and that's where we are at now.
- isaiah520

I'd really like to know how the team has been downgraded. They lost one Winger in a trade and added a defenseman. So they lost a little offense, but got better on the backend. I don't know how that translates into a downgrade.

And it is June 27th. The Off Season is in it's infancy. A little premature for this. And the FLyers will always be near the Cap in the end. And they aren't walking a tightrope. The Flyers are currently sitting with 11M in Cap space.

bahahah an NMC for Wideman wwoooooooooo!!!

The idea was to replace Pronger and we didn't. We didn't get better on D, we stayed exactly the same. Then we divided JvR and Jagr. Voracek, Schenn, Couturier and Read will get better but will they be leaps and bounds better? How long did it take for Giroux to become what he is today. I have no doubt in my mind that a long term injury could occur and these guys will struggle as they find their ways in the NHL. We need more. No question.
- Schenn2shine

Replacements for a Pronger are rare and hard to get. And knowing that Pronger is not going to play, the absolutely got better on defense, in adding Schenn. I think that Holmgren is going to try and make some more moves. But they have a very solid team as it stands.

No he is not good defensively.
- MJL

Think Danny B just better numbers

I'd really like to know how the team has been downgraded. They lost one Winger in a trade and added a defenseman. So they lost a little offense, but got better on the backend. I don't know how that translates into a downgrade.

And it is June 27th. The Off Season is in it's infancy. A little premature for this. And the FLyers will always be near the Cap in the end. And they aren't walking a tightrope. The Flyers are currently sitting with 11M in Cap space.
- MJL

How much better did we get on the back end? We didn't lose a little bit of offense. We lost a player who when healthy could bring a lot of offense. Maybe even John LeClair like. So how does the potenial of JvR get replaced?

How much better did we get on the back end? We didn't lose a little bit of offense. We lost a player who when healthy could bring a lot of offense. Maybe even John LeClair like. So how does the potenial of JvR get replaced?
- Schenn2shine

Maybe it doesn't get replaced. The have plenty of offense at the forward spot. And Luke Schenn is a significant upgrade over Gustafsson, Bourdon, and Lilja.

Think Danny B just better numbers
- Just5

Maybe last Season, but overall, not better numbers. And certainly not the proven playoff performer that Briere is.

Replacements for a Pronger are rare and hard to get. And knowing that Pronger is not going to play, the absolutely got better on defense, in adding Schenn. I think that Holmgren is going to try and make some more moves. But they have a very solid team as it stands.
- MJL

I have seen a lot of Luke Schenn over the years. A lot of unforced turnovers and very rare offense. He's a young defenseman who still comes with growing pains. I know exactly what to expect from him. Heck, younger brother Brayden burned him in a game this year. I like Luke Schenn but not for JvR.

I have seen a lot of Luke Schenn over the years. A lot of unforced turnovers and very rare offense. He's a young defenseman who still comes with growing pains. I know exactly what to expect from him. Heck, younger brother Brayden burned him in a game this year. I like Luke Schenn but not for JvR.
- Schenn2shine

I'm not talking about the trade. I'm talking about Schenn improving the defense. And he definitely does that. He's 22, and like you said there will be growing pains. There wouldn't be for JVR? And there's going to be giveaways, and he's going to get beat some. Same for most defenseman

I'm not talking about the trade. I'm talking about Schenn improving the defense. And he definitely does that. He's 22, and like you said there will be growing pains. There wouldn't be for JVR? And there's going to be giveaways, and he's going to get beat some. Same for most defenseman
- MJL

As much as I've seen plenty of Luke Schenn, I have seen even more of JvR. No, there will not be as much growing pains with JvR unless he continues to get hurt. In my opinion JvR never had a disappointing season, he was either out due to injury or playing hurt, which is impressive to me.

As much as I've seen plenty of Luke Schenn, I have seen even more of JvR. No, there will not be as much growing pains with JvR unless he continues to get hurt. In my opinion JvR never had a disappointing season, he was either out due to injury or playing hurt, which is impressive to me.
- Schenn2shine

I like JVR. I wouldn't have made the trade. But that doesn't mean that I'm not going to look at the player objectively. He improves the defense. And the Flyers still have plenty of offense with out JVR.

I like JVR. I wouldn't have made the trade. But that doesn't mean that I'm not going to look at the player objectively. He improves the defense. And the Flyers still have plenty of offense with out JVR.
- MJL

I don't think he does and I don't think we do. Which is why we're expecting more moves.

I'd really like to know how the team has been downgraded. They lost one Winger in a trade and added a defenseman. So they lost a little offense, but got better on the backend. I don't know how that translates into a downgrade.

And it is June 27th. The Off Season is in it's infancy. A little premature for this. And the FLyers will always be near the Cap in the end. And they aren't walking a tightrope. The Flyers are currently sitting with 11M in Cap space.
- MJL

add in the likely signings and they don't exactly have tons of space, so right now we are down about 30 goals between jagr and JVR...maybe briere will be better, but he's the closest thing to a sniper that we have. iow, we need another scoring winger and you know who I've been in favor of looking at.

Think Danny B just better numbers
- Just5

Danny B minus the four career 30-goal seasons, the playoff experience and success. Parenteau is also a lesser skater. He's only had one regular season with more points than Briere, and that came because he skated on the Islanders' top line.

Danny B minus the four career 30-goal seasons, the playoff experience and success. Parenteau is also a lesser skater. He's only had one regular season with more points than Briere, and that came because he skated on the Islanders' top line.
- bmeltzer

He'd look good in a Habs jersey

I have seen a lot of Luke Schenn over the years. A lot of unforced turnovers and very rare offense. He's a young defenseman who still comes with growing pains. I know exactly what to expect from him. Heck, younger brother Brayden burned him in a game this year. I like Luke Schenn but not for JvR.
- Schenn2shine

so the flyers have that sucky year with the worst record and have Luke Schenn to show for it

I don't think he does and I don't think we do. Which is why we're expecting more moves.
- Schenn2shine

So you don't think that Luke Schenn is a better defenseman then Gustafsson, Bourdon, or Lilja? Because that's who was in that defensive spot before acquiring Luke Schenn. And that is a definite upgrade

As far as offense is concerned. I read the other day that Jake Voracek doesn't have any finishing ability. So using Voracek's 18 goal total last year, I looked around the League, to see how many forwards every team in the League had that scored 18 or more goals.

Using only players that are returning for the Flyers, so not counting Jagr. The Flyers had 6 players who scored 18 or more goals last Season, currently on the roster. And that's not counting Briere, who had 16 goals. And Brayden Schenn who had 12 goals in 54 games. Think either Schenn or Briere can improve on those goal totals?

As far as the rest of the League is concerned. Only 3 other teams in the League. Boston, Chicago, and Pittsburgh, had 6 Forwards who scored 18 or more goals.

8 teams had 5 with 18 or more.
9 teams had 4.
8 had 3.
And 1 team, Columbus had 2.

So the Flyers absolutely as it stands, have enough offense in the forward ranks, even without JVR and Jagr. And that's also not counting any future moves.

add in the likely signings and they don't exactly have tons of space, so right now we are down about 30 goals between jagr and JVR...maybe briere will be better, but he's the closest thing to a sniper that we have. iow, we need another scoring winger and you know who I've been in favor of looking at.
- isaiah520

And when the likely signings are made, the Flyers have a very good team. And as you see in the post I made above. The Flyers have as much offense in the forward ranks without making a move as any team in the League.

So you don't think that Luke Schenn is a better defenseman then Gustafsson, Bourdon, or Lilja? Because that's who was in that defensive spot before acquiring Luke Schenn. And that is a definite upgrade

As far as offense is concerned. I read the other day that Jake Voracek doesn't have any finishing ability. So using Voracek's 18 goal total last year, I looked around the League, to see how many forwards every team in the League had that scored 18 or more goals.

Using only players that are returning for the Flyers, so not counting Jagr. The Flyers had 6 players who scored 18 or more goals last Season, currently on the roster. And that's not counting Briere, who had 16 goals. And Brayden Schenn who had 12 goals in 54 games. Think either Schenn or Briere can improve on those goal totals?

As far as the rest of the League is concerned. Only 3 other teams in the League. Boston, Chicago, and Pittsburgh, had 6 Forwards who scored 18 or more goals.

So the Flyers absolutely as it stands, have enough offense in the forward ranks, even without JVR and Jagr. And that's also not counting any future moves.
- MJL

Kubina was also in the role Luke Schenn takes over.

Can Talbot score 19 again? Can Hartnell score 37 again? For those players who were up, there are others who could come down. In my opinion it would be nice to have a 30 goal guarantee.