First off, Ryan is more than a "nice" player. Potential 40 goals PF don't grown on trees, and he has a great track record already too.

Secondly, why not do both?

My plan:

Add
-Ryan
-McClement/4th line center
-Prust
-Garrison
-Re-sign Carle

Subtract
-Mesz & Jake (via Ryan deal)
-Jagr
- LordStanley88

1. We had one of those and traded him
2. You're rebuilding the whole team just for bobby ryan. Expect growing pains again next year

so we'll have 10 million if Pronger's was counted above.......Voracek at 3 and Parise at 7...there we go.
- flyersfan51

No, we would not have 10M if Pronger was counted.

Darn Canadians and their shining knight chivalry...

And ominous threats.
- wolfhounds

Well which is it? I can't be "Canadian" and "threatening"...

If you ever need food or a warm blanket in the middle of a gun battle I'm your man!

1. We had one of those and traded him
2. You're rebuilding the whole team just for bobby ryan. Expect growing pains again next year
- funmaster18

I dont think its rebuilding the whole team if they decide to trade Bourdon and Voracek for Ryan.

Hartnell ------ Briere -------- Leino
PForward Playmaker Playmaker


Yeah, that one was pretty meh.
- Tomahawk

briere is a shoot first pass way later player.

Voracek backs off the defense better than any forward we have. He may be the best skating forward we have. He is underrated defensively. He is very strong on the puck. He is still very young. And has improved noticeably even from the beginning of the season to the end. He has size, is skilled with the puck, and is only now starting to realize how good he can be.

I don't see how any of us over rate him in any way. I think it is more accurate to say that too many people in here OVER rate Bobby Ryan.

Straight up I would still deal him for Ryan, but not as part of the insane deals we have seen thrown around.
- MBFlyerfan

Voracek's ability to skate the puck up the ice, and establish the puck in the offensive zone and to the right people, was a big key to the success of the Flyers PP last year.

First off, Ryan is more than a "nice" player. Potential 40+ goal PF don't grown on trees, and he has a great track record already too.

Secondly, why not do both?

My plan:

Add
-Ryan
-McClement/4th line center
-Prust
-Garrison
-Re-sign Carle

Subtract
-Mesz & Jake (via Ryan deal)
-Jagr
- LordStanley88

Homer won't move Voracek. He's to valuable to get a guy like Ryan WHO THEY DON'T NEED.

Voracek's ability to skate the puck up the ice, and establish the puck in the offensive zone and to the right people, was a big key to the success of the Flyers PP last year.
- MJL

Every play has his positives and negatives about his game. Two years ago people were questioning Voracek (b/c he was lazy in Columbus) and now people are acting like hes untouchable. Not saying you specifically. I just find that kind of funny.

By the way I like Voracek.

Ryan could post 40-42 goals just next season IMO. I think people are underrating his talents and potential.
- LordStanley88

I don't think anyone doubts that Ryan could score 40 goals playing with Giroux.

I dont think its rebuilding the whole team if they decide to trade Bourdon and Voracek for Ryan.
- stveshdy

That's not what he suggested though. I'd be more on board for that move, though I still don't think we need to. Youve then lost Voracek, jager, and JVR and replacing it with Ryan.

That's not what he suggested though. I'd be more on board for that move, though I still don't think we need to. Youve then lost Voracek, jager, and JVR and replacing it with Ryan.
- funmaster18

It would be Ryan, Schenn, and another added player through FA.

That's not what he suggested though. I'd be more on board for that move, though I still don't think we need to. Youve then lost Voracek, jager, and JVR and replacing it with Ryan.
- funmaster18

nm you were talking forwards only

briere is a shoot first pass way later player.
- Philly1980

Playmaking is more than just passing, you know that right?

It would be Ryan, Schenn, and another added player through FA.
- stveshdy

Im talking strictly forwards. I don't now how much more you can add if you have Ryan at 5.1 and then resign Carle. I don't feel like doing cap geek either.

nm you were talking forwards only
- Don'tForgetTocchet

The chickens have come home to roost on that 2nd-year given to Lilja... I don't usually hold things against Flyers' brass, but that was really overaggressive/cavalier contract negotiating on their part. They could have just signed him to a 1-year deal last summer, then re-upped him for another year if he had played well for them, and they wouldn't have been stuck in a 35+ contract situation. Instead, they're faced with having to carry 8 D on the roster, with 9 under contract.
- Tomahawk

They aren't stuck with having to carry him. If the Flyers wanted to, I don't think it would be that difficult to trade Lilja. You sign a player to a 2 year deal because you want him for 2 years. He did a good job last year. And I'm more them comfortable having him as a depth defensman on the team.

What's the point at moving Voracek and Mesz for Ryan + adding a free agent defenseman? The problem was team defense so you're going to move a good two way player and defenseman for a shoddy defensive forward and then add a D? Why wouldn't we just keep the good two way player and defenseman?

Every play has his positives and negatives about his game. Two years ago people were questioning Voracek (b/c he was lazy in Columbus) and now people are acting like hes untouchable. Not saying you specifically. I just find that kind of funny.

By the way I like Voracek.
- stveshdy

Jesus what is with people and their overstatements when trying to prove their points? NO ONE HERE is saying or acting like Voracek is untouchable.

I find it kind of stupid.

Playmaking is more than just passing, you know that right?
- Tomahawk

play maker sets up plays....sniper finishes them...Is briere not more of a finisher than a playmaker?

Im talking strictly forwards. I don't now how much more you can add if you have Ryan at 5.1 and te resign Carle. I don't feel like doing cap geek either.
- funmaster18

I know your strickly saying forwards but you still have to put value into Schenn b/c hes an upgrade on your roster. So basically they can add Ryan, Schenn, 4th line center for Voracek, JvR, Bourdon.

Thats if they dont trade Mez. I'm sure they would have to add a pick in though to even make it work. However, I believe Anaheim wants Schenn or Couturier but thats not happening so lets go after Doan.

What's the point at moving Voracek and Mesz for Ryan + adding a free agent defenseman? The problem was team defense so you're going to move a good two way player and defenseman for a shoddy defensive forward and then add a D? Why wouldn't we just keep the good two way player and defenseman?
- NickTheKid87

Jesus what is with people and their overstatements when trying to prove their points? NO ONE HERE is saying or acting like Voracek is untouchable.

I find it kind of stupid.
- MBFlyerfan

Theres no overstatement. No different then people saying Ryan is Jesus.

I have no agenda so im not trying to prove any point.

Sorry you feel its stupid. Then dont respond.

First off, Ryan is more than a "nice" player. Potential 40+ goal PF don't grown on trees, and he has a great track record already too.

Secondly, why not do both?

My plan:

Add
-Ryan
-McClement/4th line center
-Prust
-Garrison
-Re-sign Carle

Subtract
-Mesz & Jake (via Ryan deal)
-Jagr
- LordStanley88

If it were only as easy as capgeek.com

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Bobby Ryan ($5.100m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Zach Parise ($7.000m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Dominic Moore ($1.750m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Tom Sestito ($0.605m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Jason Garrison ($3.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,251,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $48,056

No, we would not have 10M if Pronger was counted.
- MJL

i meant not counted obviously.

i hear ya, this is why i want two bottom 6 guys. we'll see if they can afford to do that
- FlyerMike18

i'm okay with only signing one and seeing what we've got from Sestito, Harry the Z, Mangene, McGinn, Holmstrom, etc.