What's always been impressive about the Flyers is their depth. They don't have as much anymore.
- Schenn2shine

I've already shown with my post on the previous page that even without Jagr and JVR, the Flyers still have as much depth as any team in the League. Both offensively, and defensively.

Even if he is unsuccessful. The Flyers have a dam good team as the roster currently sits.
- MJL

they just made a bad trade that doesn't adequately address their greatest need- a top pairing dman. instead we got a back fill after the 7 cents on the dollar deal that just went down. let's see what else he's got up his sleeve after a promising start w/ the CLB deal...

I've already shown with my post on the previous page that even without Jagr and JVR, the Flyers still have as much depth as any team in the League. Both offensively, and defensively.
- MJL

I don't agree. I think we have players who have been tried out and still could very well not pan out here or in the NHL. I've never been over the moon when it comes to Harry Z. Still not, even with his impressive speed.

So no Jagr this year?

Since when does Holmgren sit on salary cap cash? Paul's like a crackhead with cap dollars. Ain't a pipe too big to smoke it all gone.
- LW2530

homer! deep inhale!

they just made a bad trade that doesn't adequately address their greatest need- a top pairing dman. instead we got a back fill after the 7 cents on the dollar deal that just went down. let's see what else he's got up his sleeve after a promising start w/ the CLB deal...
- isaiah520

I disagree that it is a bad trade. You act like we got junk back. Every move made doesn't need to address the team's greatest need. There are other avenues to get a # 1 defenseman. You can't force a team to trade you one

I don't agree. I think we have players who have been tried out and still could very well not pan out here or in the NHL. I've never been over the moon when it comes to Harry Z. Still not, even with his impressive speed.
- Schenn2shine

Harry Z had nothing to do with my post on the Flyers depth. And Harry Z is not expected to make the team out of camp. The facts are the facts as I showed with my post. The Flyers are as deep offensively as any team in the League.

Harry Z had nothing to do with my post on the Flyers depth. And Harry Z is not expected to make the team out of camp. The facts are the facts as I showed with my post. The Flyers are as deep offensively as any team in the League.
- MJL

So we're not breaking up a star top line in the league that Jagr was a big part of? Chemistry will just magically happen elsewhere? Harry Z was never considered apart of the depth? You could be talking about whatever you were talking about but I brought up depth and used Harry Z as an example. Harry Z isn't an overly impressive depth player and a possible first call-up. Your facts are facts but so are mine.

If you say so Joe.
- Schenn2shine

So we're not breaking up a star top line in the league that Jagr was a big part of? Chemistry will just magically happen elsewhere? Harry Z was never considered apart of the depth? You could be talking about whatever you were talking about but I brought up depth and used Harry Z as an example. Harry Z isn't an overly impressive depth player and a possible first call-up. Your facts are facts but so are mine.
- Schenn2shine

In terms of my post and how many teams in the League had more players that scored 18 or more goals, no Harry Z isn't a part of that. Chemistry magically happened last year when the Flyers added Jagr. Why can't the same happen with another player? I think it can because Giroux is that good.

And are we worried about the depth of a first call up? Should we look around the League and see what team has a more impressive player for a first call up then Harry Z? Or should we focus on the players who are expected to be regulars?

I disagree that it is a bad trade. You act like we got junk back. Every move made doesn't need to address the team's greatest need. There are other avenues to get a # 1 defenseman. You can't force a team to trade you one
- MJL

that's right, so you hang on to assets rather than selling short. Luke's a good kid, so I think the moral support and change of scenery will do him good, but JVR is the superior talent.

So you're banking on a 41 year old to hold up better this season than last?

they just made a bad trade that doesn't adequately address their greatest need- a top pairing dman. instead we got a back fill after the 7 cents on the dollar deal that just went down. let's see what else he's got up his sleeve after a promising start w/ the CLB deal...
- isaiah520

Hard to evaluate a trade when Schenn hasnt even played a single game for the Flyers yet. I think its an upgrade from what they had. Hes a big physical kid who blocks a ton of shots and can move the puck (RH shot as well). I think people will be happy with his play this upcoming season.

So you're banking on a 41 year old to hold up better this season than last?
- twotoekenn

I don't think anyone is saying that.

that's right, so you hang on to assets rather than selling short. Luke's a good kid, so I think the moral support and change of scenery will do him good, but JVR is the superior talent.
- isaiah520

I don't think the talent gap is as big as you think it is. Nor did they sell as short as you think they did. They got a young promising player in return.

that's right, so you hang on to assets rather than selling short. Luke's a good kid, so I think the moral support and change of scenery will do him good, but JVR is the superior talent.
- isaiah520

I do think we should have used JVR to get a better player in a package deal or something, but my guess is that maybe our perceived worth for him was higher than what he actually was.

Jvr=latendresse.

I don't think anyone is saying that.
- JoeRussomanno

I don't think you are, but it sure seems like someone is.

I do think we should have used JVR to get a better player in a package deal or something, but my guess is that maybe our perceived worth for him was higher than what he actually was.
- JoeRussomanno

Bingo. The Schenn for JvR is potential vs potential. Forwards are easier to find imo than defenseman and when you get a 22 year old like Schenn you pull the trigger. I like JvR and he may become a very good player in this league but I still believe Schenn is going to be much better than people think.

Bingo. The Schenn for JvR is potential vs potential. Forwards are easier to find imo than defenseman and when you get a 22 year old like Schenn you pull the trigger. I like JvR and he may become a very good player in this league but I still believe Schenn is going to be much better than people think.
- stveshdy

YOu might be right which is why I want to agree with you, but I'm concerned that is not the case so I'm reserving judgement. Gotta think Homer had an educated analysis done before making the deal. If not then....

I disagree that it is a bad trade. You act like we got junk back. Every move made doesn't need to address the team's greatest need. There are other avenues to get a # 1 defenseman. You can't force a team to trade you one
- MJL

Time will have to tell whether this was a good or bad trade and for whom. Because both power forwards and d-men progress at a slower pace than other positions, coupled with the injuries JvR had to deal with all last year, it makes it difficult to predict.

That said, I thought Homer could've gotten a better return from TO. Maybe an additional pick at least. My uneducated guess tells me Burke gave him a "take it or leave it" option.

It may have been a move Homer didn't feel like he should pass up because of Carle's contract situation. Who really knows if there is a handshake deal in place? Perhaps Homer felt it was necessary insurance to acquire another D in case Carle decides to tests the waters.

Or perhaps it was a precursor to another move. We'll see shortly.

Hard to evaluate a trade when Schenn hasnt even played a single game for the Flyers yet. I think its an upgrade from what they had. Hes a big physical kid who blocks a ton of shots and can move the puck (RH shot as well). I think people will be happy with his play this upcoming season.
- stveshdy

upgrade on lilja and bourdon? yeah, but did we have to use an asset like JVR for just schenn and nothing more? I don't think so and I would have rather held my cards and waitied until after July 1. schenn is our 5th best dman if carle is re-signed. let's see what happens from here on out.

Time will have to tell whether this was a good or bad trade and for whom. Because both power forwards and d-men progress at a slower pace than other positions, coupled with the injuries JvR had to deal with all last year, it makes it difficult to predict.

That said, I thought Homer could've gotten a better return from TO. Maybe an additional pick at least. My uneducated guess tells me Burke gave him a "take it or leave it" option.

It may have been a move Homer didn't feel like he should pass up because of Carle's contract situation. Who really knows if there is a handshake deal in place? Perhaps Homer felt it was necessary insurance to acquire another D in case Carle decides to tests the waters.

Or perhaps it was a precursor to another move. We'll see shortly.
- 77rams

Well said.

YOu might be right which is why I want to agree with you, but I'm concerned that is not the case so I'm reserving judgement. Gotta think Homer had an educated analysis done before making the deal. If not then....
- JoeRussomanno

I think Schenn will be a much better player now that he is out of Toronto. People are going to love this kid.

upgrade on lilja and bourdon? yeah, but did we have to use an asset like JVR for just schenn and nothing more? I don't think so and I would have rather held my cards and waitied until after July 1. schenn is our 5th best dman if carle is re-signed. let's see what happens from here on out.
- isaiah520

yea that's what I thought. Shoulda maybe been another piece coming back this way.

upgrade on lilja and bourdon? yeah, but did we have to use an asset like JVR for just schenn and nothing more? I don't think so and I would have rather held my cards and waitied until after July 1. schenn is our 5th best dman if carle is re-signed. let's see what happens from here on out.
- isaiah520

I feel the same way as you. As I've said, I wouldn't have made the trade. But looking at it objectively, It's not a bad trade. Not a great trade, but not a bad one either.

As I said in the past, I wouldn't have made the Carter and Richards deals. But I can step back from that and look at the deals objectively.