snow is going to have to overpay for ryan...but at this point... the isles need to get some more star power and its the perfect guy to start with. I do believe the ducks will win out on this trade...but i wont be mad as long as it isnt a massacre.
- Dedshark

I read that the Ducks want "D" and a young forward along with a 1st rd pick.

Bobby Ryan wants a trade and doesnt care where he lands. He Just wants to get it done.

http://www.usatoday.com/s...by-ryan-rumors/55795006/1

He doesnt have a No Trade Contract and is signed for the next 3 yrs.

IMO, we can afford to overpay for this kid.

I've read on other sites that Duck fans consider a 1st rd pick plus Nino, Okposo or Strome a acceptable offer. I wonder what Ducks managment would think of a 1st rd pick, Nino and DeHaan in exchange for Ryan?

Will Nino ever be Bobby Ryan? With the addition of 8 "D" men. Is Dehaan expendable?

I read that the Ducks want "D" and a young forward along with a 1st rd pick.

Bobby Ryan wants a trade and doesnt care where he lands. Just get it done.

http://www.usatoday.com/s...by-ryan-rumors/55795006/1
- SCLI

Problem with Isles and a trade like this... If they go after a player like this via trade,they have have to hope the free agency market changes their mind on LI. Garth has said he wil go trade route, but with many holes in this club, he makes 2 nice trades and the Isles young talent is gone. Be careful what we wish for. If they were to a move at Ryan, they would need a D man through FA and probably another 2 forwards at minimum through FA. (replace PAP, whoever they trade in the deal and if they don't think Strome and/or Nino isn't ready then those are just a few more holes needed to fill.)

Problem with Isles and a trade like this... If they go after a player like this via trade,they have have to hope the free agency market changes their mind on LI. Garth has said he wil go trade route, but with many holes in this club, he makes 2 nice trades and the Isles young talent is gone. Be careful what we wish for. If they were to a move at Ryan, they would need a D man through FA and probably another 2 forwards at minimum through FA. (replace PAP, whoever they trade in the deal and if they don't think Strome and/or Nino isn't ready then those are just a few more holes needed to fill.)
- brodydog29

He's under contract for the next three years!

By the time he's an UFA. The Arena fiasco will be solved for better or worse. If we stay on LI, Bobby will either love or hate LI. And some the Isles touted prospects will be on LI or be ready to make their move to the Isles.

The time to make a big move is NOW! Not two or three yrs from now.

It's gonna cost to get a quality player. We have the chips to play. Aside from Bobby Ryan. How many VG players are on the trade block that dont have a No trade clause and are signed for THREE MORE YEARS?

He's under contract for the next three years!

By the time he's an UFA. The Arena fiasco will be solved. Bobby will either love or hate LI. And some the Isle Isles touted prospects will be on LI or be ready to make their move to the Isles.

The time to make a big move is NOW! Not two or three yrs from now.

It's gonna cost to get a quality player. We have the chips to play. Aside from Bobby Ryan. How many VG players are on the trade block that dont have a No trade clause and are signed for THREE MORE YEARS?
- SCLI

Nothing to do with how long he is under contract. Problem IMO is the Isles have too many current holes to go after 1 big name and give up NHL players to do it unless they know that they can land decent FA's.

I agree that players like Ryan don't come along too often that are under contract for multiple years with a NTC but if the Islanders give up current NHL forwards + lose PAP, they have to replace that. The Isles usual game plan are players like Pandolfo or give a player like Rolston PAP's role because they can't get anyone.

I like some of the Isles young guys, but how ready are they? If they trade for Ryan, fans including myself will have HUGE expectations for the team. I would just hope they have plans to fill in solid players in the rest of their lineup and not just plugs or question marks and then hope for the best.

Nothing to do with how long he is under contract. Problem IMO is the Isles have too many current holes to go after 1 big name and give up NHL players to do it unless they know that they can land decent FA's.

I agree that players like Ryan don't come along too often that are under contract for multiple years with a NTC but if the Islanders give up current NHL forwards + lose PAP, they have to replace that. The Isles usual game plan are players like Pandolfo or give a player like Rolston PAP's role because they can't get anyone.

I like some of the Isles young guys, but how ready are they? If they trade for Ryan, fans includibg myself will have HUGE expectations for the team. I would just hope they have plans to fill in solid players in the rest of their lineup and not just plugs or question marks and then hope for the best.
- brodydog29

Here is a list of Prospects that the Isles have. Do you feel we dont have enough prospects to make a pitch for a Star Player? It all depends who the Ducks want and who Isles are willing to part with.
Forwards. Strome ----- "D": Ness
Cizikas ----- ---- DeHaan
Brock Nelson --------- Mayfield
Ullstrom ----- ---- Pedan
Kabanov ----- ---- Wishart
Sundstrom ---------- Pelech
Anders Lee ---------- Kitchton
NINO ----- ----- Pokka
---- ------ Donovan
---- ------ Somlerby
---------- Cantin
--------- Russo

There is quite a lot of prospects here. We cant keep and play all of then. Although there are a few I'd prefer to Keep. Some are expendable. Some have to be expendable if we are to ever make a trade.

Isles also have some young roster players that Snow may be willing to part with.

Provide Snow doesnt get completely fleeced.
I believe we have enough prospects and there are at least 5 forwards and 5 "D" that will be ready to compete/step into the Isles line up with in 1-2 yrs time. Enough to fill any holes left in a Bobby Ryan trade. IMO of course.

Nothing to do with how long he is under contract. Problem IMO is the Isles have too many current holes to go after 1 big name and give up NHL players to do it unless they know that they can land decent FA's.

I agree that players like Ryan don't come along too often that are under contract for multiple years with a NTC but if the Islanders give up current NHL forwards + lose PAP, they have to replace that. The Isles usual game plan are players like Pandolfo or give a player like Rolston PAP's role because they can't get anyone.

I like some of the Isles young guys, but how ready are they? If they trade for Ryan, fans including myself will have HUGE expectations for the team. I would just hope they have plans to fill in solid players in the rest of their lineup and not just plugs or question marks and then hope for the best.
- brodydog29

I agree completely. Its way past time we dismounted that horse.

Here is a list of Prospects that the Isles have. Do you feel we dont have enough prospects to make a pitch for a Star Player? It all depends who the Ducks want and who Isles are willing to part with.
Forwards. Strome ----- "D": Ness
Cizikas ----- ---- DeHaan
Brock Nelson --------- Mayfield
Ullstrom ----- ---- Pedan
Kabanov ----- ---- Wishart
Sundstrom ---------- Pelech
Anders Lee ---------- Kitchton
NINO ----- ----- Pokka
---- ------ Donovan
---- ------ Somlerby
---------- Cantin
--------- Russo

There is quite a lot of prospects here. We cant keep and play all of then. Although there are a few I'd prefer to Keep. Some are expendable. Some have to be expendable if we are to ever make a trade.

Isles also have some young roster players that Snow may be willing to part with.

Provide Snow doesnt get completely fleeced.
I believe we have enough prospects and there are at least 5 forwards and 5 "D" that will be ready to compete/step into the Isles line up with in 1-2 yrs time. Enough to fill any holes left in a Bobby Ryan trade. IMO of course.

- SCLI

I agree the Isles have a deep, talanted prospect pool. Anaheim is going to want NHL players as well as prospects. I'm not trying to argue with you because I agree now is time to make moves. But I am trying to play devils advocate. They are competing with the big teams that are trigger happy with trades like the Flyers, Leafs, Canucks, etc.
If they are to make this trade, they would need to outbid and that would be to give up an Okposo, or Bailey and then prospects like Strome or Nino and a Dman like DeHaan.
I think its worth it if the team was deeper. Say trade turns out to be Okposo, Nino and DeHaan+ a pick... Next years lineup would be -

Ryan - Tavares - Moulson
Bailey - Nielsen - Grabner
Martin - Strome??? - ???
Pandolfo - Reasoner - Haley???

And your defense is -

Streit - Visnosky
Hamonic - ???
Macdonald - Reese???

There are a lot of question marks there with a lot of players out of place according to many on here. Is Nielsen a #2 center? Is Strome ready? That entire 4th line is just there to eat minutes and rest the other lines. That second line D is huge too. They need quality there, not a young kid hoping to stay with the team.

For a guy who played in the organiztion, Jamie McClennan really doesn't ever give the Isles too much support.

I agree the Isles have a deep, talanted prospect pool. Anaheim is going to want NHL players as well as prospects. I'm not trying to argue with you because I agree now is time to make moves. But I am trying to play devils advocate. They are competing with the big teams that are trigger happy with trades like the Flyers, Leafs, Canucks, etc.
If they are to make this trade, they would need to outbid and that would be to give up an Okposo, or Bailey and then prospects like Strome or Nino and a Dman like DeHaan.
I think its worth it if the team was deeper. Say trade turns out to be Okposo, Nino and DeHaan+ a pick... Next years lineup would be -

Ryan - Tavares - Moulson
Bailey - Nielsen - Grabner
Martin - Strome??? - ???
Pandolfo - Reasoner - Haley???

And your defense is -

Streit - Visnosky
Hamonic - ???
Macdonald - Reese???

There are a lot of question marks there with a lot of players out of place according to many on here. Is Nielsen a #2 center? Is Strome ready? That entire 4th line is just there to eat minutes and rest the other lines. That second line D is huge too. They need quality there, not a young kid hoping to stay with the team.
- brodydog29

This isnt an argument, its a conversation

I'm enjoying it.

Its interesting that you laid out your lineup. I was doing the same thing.

yes we do need to sign a FA and we need someone to step in from the Bridge or Juniors this yr. Not only that but Snow needs to sign Haley( although I dont believe he will)

Of course it Will depend on who goes in the Ryan deal. Possibly Lee. Nino or Nelson going to Ducks

What I wouldnt mind seeing next season.

Ryan - Tavares - Moulson we concur

Martin- Strome- Grabner to shake things up a bit. I think this would work

Bailey- Nielsen - KO they seem to work together

Haley- Reasoner/Cizikas- UFA =Prust/ Tootoo would be nice (will have to pay dearly for either)

Streit - Visnosky

Hamonic- ?

Macdonald - Reese???

Donovan, Dehaan, Ness Who ever didnt go in the Bobby Ryan trade

I never want to see Pandolfo again. Haley -Reasonor - and a FA signing could do some damage as well as eat up minutes

This isnt an argument, its a conversation

I'm enjoying it.

Its interesting that you laid out your lineup. I was doing the same thing.

yes we do need to sign a FA and we need someone to step in from the Bridge or Juniors this yr. Not only that but Snow needs to sign Haley( although I dont believe he will)

Of course it Will depend on who goes in the Ryan deal. Possibly Lee. Nino or Nelson going to Ducks

What I wouldnt mind seeing next season.

Ryan - Tavares - Moulson we concur

Martin- Strome- Grabner to shake things up a bit. I think this would work

Bailey- Nielsen - KO they seem to work together

Haley- Reasoner/Cizikas- UFA =Prust/ Tootoo would be nice (will have to pay dearly for either)

Streit - Visnosky

Hamonic- ?

Macdonald - Reese???

Donovan, Dehaan, Ness Who ever didnt go in the Bobby Ryan trade

I never want to see Pandolfo again. Haley -Reasonor - and a FA signing could do some damage as well as eat up minutes
- SCLI

I like that 4th line if you plug in Prust. No one takes runs at Tavares and Streit and knows that they won't be bleeding in a few minutes..

That said, can that 2nd or 3rd line give you point production before Dec./Jan? And the D needs a good vet to fill out that top 4 spot, not a green player, or a Staois, Eaton, Jurcina mess.

If they were to land Ryan, my thought is they need to land in FA too. A Prust would go a long way on this team. So would a Carle and even a Jokinen or a Guastad(all who won't be here come 7/1) but these are things they need to do if they are going to put quality, not quantity on the ice. Neither one of us have even mentioned the backup goalie who may remain nameless to save face of the rest on here.

It seems Snow/Wang finally have enough confidence to attempt this now, which is great. But, Snow needs to put that salesman cap on now and figure out how to sell LI and that's why I'm still wary.

This isnt an argument, its a conversation

I'm enjoying it.

Its interesting that you laid out your lineup. I was doing the same thing.

yes we do need to sign a FA and we need someone to step in from the Bridge or Juniors this yr. Not only that but Snow needs to sign Haley( although I dont believe he will)

Of course it Will depend on who goes in the Ryan deal. Possibly Lee. Nino or Nelson going to Ducks

What I wouldnt mind seeing next season.

Ryan - Tavares - Moulson we concur

Martin- Strome- Grabner to shake things up a bit. I think this would work

Bailey- Nielsen - KO they seem to work together

Haley- Reasoner/Cizikas- UFA =Prust/ Tootoo would be nice (will have to pay dearly for either)

Streit - Visnosky

Hamonic- ?

Macdonald - Reese???

Donovan, Dehaan, Ness Who ever didnt go in the Bobby Ryan trade

I never want to see Pandolfo again. Haley -Reasonor - and a FA signing could do some damage as well as eat up minutes
- SCLI

okay...i am 100% drunk at this point but hear me out...

I love yours idea of the lines... and I love martin...but hes gonna be on the 3rd line... bailey or KO is gonna move up...but anyway...the thing that is getting over looked is if this bobby ryan trade were going to happen...garth has to make the cap floor. SO yes some of those guys are gonna be gone... but he HAS TO spend money. those ??? marks need to be filled with or without the trade. so my point is... make the splash cause money needs to be spent... and if this trade happens or not...something has to happen...

He's under contract for the next three years!

By the time he's an UFA. The Arena fiasco will be solved for better or worse. If we stay on LI, Bobby will either love or hate LI. And some the Isles touted prospects will be on LI or be ready to make their move to the Isles.

The time to make a big move is NOW! Not two or three yrs from now.

It's gonna cost to get a quality player. We have the chips to play. Aside from Bobby Ryan. How many VG players are on the trade block that dont have a No trade clause and are signed for THREE MORE YEARS?
- SCLI

just saw this...exactly!!!

just saw this...exactly!!!
- Dedshark

You read pretty good for a Drunk guy.

I like that 4th line if you plug in Prust. No one takes runs at Tavares and Streit and knows that they won't be bleeding in a few minutes..

That said, can that 2nd or 3rd line give you point production before Dec./Jan? And the D needs a good vet to fill out that top 4 spot, not a green player, or a Staois, Eaton, Jurcina mess.

If they were to land Ryan, my thought is they need to land in FA too. A Prust would go a long way on this team. So would a Carle and even a Jokinen or a Guastad(all who won't be here come 7/1) but these are things they need to do if they are going to put quality, not quantity on the ice. Neither one of us have even mentioned the backup goalie who may remain nameless to save face of the rest on here.

It seems Snow/Wang finally have enough confidence to attempt this now, which is great. But, Snow needs to put that salesman cap on now and figure out how to sell LI and that's why I'm still wary.
- brodydog29

I hate talking goalies.

I realize I'm setting myself up for a big let down but I think something substantial will get done this summer. I'm hoping Snow learned his lesson last season when he signed the Three Stooges. As you say its Quality over quantity.

Oh btw I like the idea of adding Jokinin or Carle. I think Carle is a long shot though.

Wideman off the market, Flames traded for his rights and signed him. Re-signed Comeau too. Not that anyone really cares about Comeau.
- eichiefs9

His family cares...


I care!

XxNYIxX

Super weird feeling that since Wideman is in CGY and they're likely going to off-load JBo...to us. Maybe they want their 5th round pick back from the Wideman deal.
- eichiefs9

Not unless his NTC has gone away... He already blocked on move to the Island.

XxNYIxX

Wow! Talk about harsh words. I wonder if NHL GM's feel this way.

CHICAGO DAILY HERALD: Barry Rozner dismissed the notion of the Chicago Blackhawks having interest in, let alone acquiring, Vancouver Canucks goalie Roberto Luongo. Rozner considers the rumors “absurd”, considering Luongo “a horribly overpaid netminder” who “performs horribly” in the most important situations and chokes under playoff pressure, and claims Luongo is a “national joke” in Canada.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: Overly harsh? Sadly, no. Rozner’s assessment of Luongo at this point in his career is spot-on, and I agree with his take that the rumor of the Blackhawks acquiring Luongo are absurd.

I wonder if Luongo ever left Rozner's sister standing at the Altar?


- SCLI

Is Rozner one of the Wolfpack?

XxNYIxX

Is Rozner one of the Wolfpack?

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

If he isnt, he's a prime candidate. Could start Wolf Pack Branch in Illinois. Go national! Hell, International!

NO STOPPING THE WOLFPACK NOW!!!! Got the media on our side!

Woof! Woof!

If he isnt, he's a prime candidate. Could start Wolf Pack Branch in Illinois. Go national! Hell, International!

NO STOPPING THE WOLFPACK NOW!!!! Got the media on our side!

Woof! Woof!
- SCLI

Get bixll and you've got a start...

Get bixll and you've got a start...
- brodydog29

I think you guys are barkin up the right tree, I am a howler..