Heck yes.

Bure skated really fast down the wing.

Lindros hit, punched, intimidated and scored.
- Atomic Wedgie

Bure was one of the most exciting players EVER, but you're right all he did was skate really fast down the wing.

and that's where all of this falls apart.

basically, the HHOF has let in a lot of good to slightly better than good players.

now the question always becomes: well if he's in, why isn't player X?

basically, this argument boils down to that the standards have never been very high so why start now?
- RealityChecker

That type of argument just leads to infinitely decreasing standards, though. That's what got us into this mess in the first place. One guy decades ago must have gotten in by a hair, which justified the next guy, which in turn justified the next guy, and the next guy...

I think we need to vote some guys out. Now that would be a heck of lot more fun.

Just walk away Burke. Please for the love of God, walk away.

Obviously Gillis isnt expecting a return like that. But maybe if you ask for 3 good assets you can get one.
- Leafs43

I agree....spend the cap space on a top-6 forward and roll the dice with Reimer.

How about a piece of the Gardiner?
- Atomic Wedgie

We offer great delivery options for that... just drive along lakeshore

Sounds like Burke has met his match at the negotiating table.

Like trying to deal with himself almost....


- robin_steele264

does that mean we'll get 2 1sts and a second for taking Luongo?

Bure was one of the most exciting players EVER, but you're right all he did was skate really fast down the wing.
- blahman20

For a few years, yes. EVER? I don't know about that. And how long does a player have to be exciting to be considered an exciting hockey player?

And does that constitute greatness, in any case?

That's the million dollar question.

THNHockeyInsider‏@THNInsider

#Canucks Gillis is asking an EXTRAORDINARILY large amount from the #Leafs and #Panthers for Luongo.

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From #Leafs he is asking for Gardiner, a 1st round pick and one other piece.

THNHockeyInsider‏@THNInsider

From the #Panthers he is asking for Bjugstad, a 1st round pick, and another piece. Gillis will not receive close to this

Gillis is (frank)ing braindead if he thinks he'll get this for Lu
- peddy-93

i hope someone drops a contract in schneiders lap....a nice one year, ufa at the end of it kind of contract.
gillis is a tool.

For a few years, yes. EVER? I don't know about that. And how long does a player have to be exciting to be considered an exciting hockey player?

And does that constitute greatness, in any case?

That's the million dollar question.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Bure scored 50 goals 5 times, while reaching the 60 goal mark twice. Most explosive players that come into the league with as much excitement as Bure usually die down a bit after a few years (See: Ovechkin). What Bure did in his short time in the NHL was amazing...I guess people forget that he had a 59 goal season and a 52 goal season down in Florida before injuries ruined his career. Eric Lindros may have been a big physical force, but the guy never scored 50 goals and only eclipsed 100 pts once.

i hope someone drops a contract in schneiders lap....a nice one year, ufa at the end of it kind of contract.
gillis is a tool.
- Barx

I'd do a 1 year offer sheet, worth just over 5 million bucks. One dollar below the threshold for two first rounders (compensation would be 1st, 2nd, 3rd).

For a few years, yes. EVER? I don't know about that. And how long does a player have to be exciting to be considered an exciting hockey player?

And does that constitute greatness, in any case?

That's the million dollar question.
- Leeman4Gilmour

I think he can still be considered one of the most exciting players to watch ever, no matter how long he played. You don't need longevity for that type of distinction.

I'd do a 1 year offer sheet, worth just over 5 million bucks. One dollar below the threshold for two first rounders (compensation would be 1st, 2nd, 3rd).
- Leeman4Gilmour

I think you're forgetting one key element of an offer sheet: The player has to sign it.

I'd do a 1 year offer sheet, worth just over 5 million bucks. One dollar below the threshold for two first rounders (compensation would be 1st, 2nd, 3rd).
- Leeman4Gilmour

I say just let them keep Schneider and Lou. I really only want Lou if he comes very cheap, and it doesnt look like that will happen. So they can keep him and try to convince Schneider to sign.

I'd do a 1 year offer sheet, worth just over 5 million bucks. One dollar below the threshold for two first rounders (compensation would be 1st, 2nd, 3rd).
- Leeman4Gilmour

Why would you risk losing a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for only a one-year deal?

Bure scored 50 goals 5 times, while reaching the 60 goal mark twice. Most explosive players that come into the league with as much excitement as Bure usually die down a bit after a few years (See: Ovechkin). What Bure did in his short time in the NHL was amazing...I guess people forget that he had a 59 goal season and a 52 goal season down in Florida before injuries ruined his career. Eric Lindros may have been a big physical force, but the guy never scored 50 goals and only eclipsed 100 pts once.
- blahman20

Lindros at his peak was better than Bure at his peak, hands down. I'd trade literally a few extra goals for 200+ more hits and that monster frame.

Lindros made Leclair and Renberg into the most dominant line in the NHL. Leclair's a good player, but Renberg was purely the result of Lindros' dominance.

For what it's worth, Lindros did score 100+ once. 115, which is higher than Bure's best season (he only did it twice himself).

I'd never pay the signing sheet price for Schneider, only route i'd consider acquring him would be through trade and I doubt that's happening.

Why would you risk losing a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for only a one-year deal?
- Phenom

Vancouver would match. Almost certainly.

I think you're forgetting one key element of an offer sheet: The player has to sign it.
- deerow84

A 5+ million dollar deal that takes him to his first year of UFA eligibility? Yeah, I think he'd sign it.

Why would you risk losing a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for only a one-year deal?
- Phenom

You can also trade him at the deadline if it later appears there's no intention of Schneider signing long term.

Vancouver would match. Almost certainly.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Almost.....but what if they don't? You might get screwed the next year. They might take the 3 picks and take their chances with Luongo. It's not like they have no choice.

Lindros at his peak was better than Bure at his peak, hands down. I'd trade literally a few extra goals for 200+ more hits and that monster frame.

Lindros made Leclair and Renberg into the most dominant line in the NHL. Leclair's a good player, but Renberg was purely the result of Lindros' dominance.

For what it's worth, Lindros did score 100+ once. 115, which is higher than Bure's best season (he only did it twice himself).
- Leeman4Gilmour

I don't know about Hands down. How old are you? Perhaps you don't remember Bure being an absolute beast in the 93/94 playoffs, where he scored 16 goals in 24 games. Bure was a true game breaker at any point, and it's not like he was playing with superstars...he was the superstar. It's close for me, numbers wise and on the ice...but maybe slight edge to Lindros because of his physical play, then again Bure's speed might have just as big of an asset.

Vancouver would match. Almost certainly.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Hence the beauty of it...even if you don't get him. Vancouver has one year left of Schneider, the fact he signed a one-year deal elsewhere speaks to his desire to stick around. And....you can't trade him for one calendar year if you match the offer. In effect, if you match, and he walks, you get NOTHING but having Luongo around still.

Monahan looks to be a really good player, and if we have a mid 1st rounder, im sure thats where Domi will be.

What if we do have the 1st overall and he chooses Jones over MacKinnon?
- peddy-93

Then we have a d-core that features Phaneuf, Jones, Rielly, Gardiner, Blacker, Finn, (Schultz), Holzer, and Percy.

Somewhere in there, we can find the pieces to trade for a center.


Always draft BPA, and use the value to trade for needs. Always.

You can also trade him at the deadline if it later appears there's no intention of Schneider signing long term.
- p_zub

Yeah, but I doubt you'd get much of a return.....especially if he flops this year. Imagine if he stinks the joint up? He's never been an NHL starter, there's that uncertainty. Signing him to an offer sheet for one year is way more risky than it's worth.

Then we have a d-core that features Phaneuf, Jones, Rielly, Gardiner, Blacker, Finn, (Schultz), Holzer, and Percy.

Somewhere in there, we can find the pieces to trade for a center.


Always draft BPA, and use the value to trade for needs. Always.
- Feeling Glucky?

so taking BPA would be MacKinnon, you do not, i repeat do not pass up on a potential franchise center who scouts compare to crosby

Although that d-core you put up is (frank)ing lethal

I wouldn't even give that for Schneider.....
- Phenom

This. Gillis has been hanging out with Howson too much.