I dont think it hurts his case as he was inducted to the Hall long ago.
- robin_steele264

pretty much cements it

longevity does not equal greatness.

which season was he one of the best players in the game.

he was a good player that played a long time. to you that equals HHOF. to me, not so much.
- RealityChecker

Longevity + production = greatness

the same can be said of Sundin...never won anything... was never one of the best,,just produced at a consistent pace, never flashy or a superstar

I dont think it hurts his case as he was inducted to the Hall long ago.
- robin_steele264

you know that a list of accomplishments isn't that great when the list starts with "player of the week for..."

He absolutely was.

In any given season, there are 23 roster spots X 30 teams. So 690 players will play (more if you consider call ups from the minors).

Yet only 4 players a year can go to the Hockey Hall of Fame.

Consistently above average isn't enough.

You have to be in the top 00.5%.

Sorry, but Gartner wasn't ever even close to that.
- Atomic Wedgie

6 players in NHL history have more than 700 goals.

6 players out of all NHL players alltime....

Whats the percentage on that?

Awards and achievements

Mike Gartner's banner rises to the rafters after his jersey was retired by the Washington Capitals Jersey number #11 retired by Washington Capitals December 28, 2008.

2001 - Inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame

NHL's Player of the Week for the week ending February 22, 1987.

NHL's Player of the Month for February, 1987, becoming first Capital to win the award.

NHL's Player of the Week for the week ending November 26, 1989.

NHL All-Star Game MVP (1993)

NHL's Fastest Skater at All-Star Game Skills Competition in (1991, 1993 and 1996)
Played in the NHL All-Star Game (1981, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1990, 1993, 1996)

One of the three final WHA players still active in professional hockey (Mark Messier and Wayne Gretzky being the last two) at the time of his retirement.

In 1998, he was ranked number 89 on The Hockey News' list of the 100 Greatest Hockey Players.

He scored the last goal ever at Chicago Stadium in the 1994 playoffs.

He was ranked No. 67 on the all-time list of New York Rangers in the book 100 Ranger Greats (John Wiley & Sons, 2009).

Records

NHL record for most consecutive 30-goal seasons - 15 (also tied with Jaromir Jagr)

NHL record for most 30-goal seasons - 17

NHL record for most goals in an All-Star Game (1993) - 4 (shared with Wayne Gretzky, Dany Heatley and others)

NHL record for fastest two goals from the start of an All-Star Game (1993) - in 3:37

NHL Skills Competition record fastest time (1996) - 13.386 seconds
- robin_steele264[5]

Washington Capitals record for longest point-streak - 17 games (twice)

Washington Capitals record for longest goal-scoring-streak (1986–87) - 9 games (shares record)

Washington Capitals record for most shorthanded goals in a season (1986–87) - 6 (shares record)

Washington Capitals record most points by a right winger in one season (1984–85) - 102

A little research I see? lol

I think eventually he will be to be honest with you. It'll be when it's a weaker eligibility class, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's eventually in.
- Domaju

There won't ever be a weaker eligibility class, though.

Already, two guys who absolutely deserve to be there are left out: Shanny and Lindros. And I'm sure people here could name a few more.

With only 4 guys in a year, it makes it awfully difficult. And it won't ever get easier.

Seth Jones, good ol'American
- peddy-93

Hey, a Chris Pronger clone wouldn't be bad for any team, regardless of where he's from...


If we suck though(But predictably, not enough to get MacKinnon) I'd hope for Barkov or Monahan. Or Domi. Just cuz.

Longevity + production = greatness

the same can be said of Sundin...never won anything... was never one of the best,,just produced at a consistent pace, never flashy or a superstar
- senstroll

but the difference with sundin is that he was consistently one of the best players in the game.

in all seriousness, sundin dominated the game at times and was consistently one of the best players in the league.

i don't think there was any season where you could say that about gartner. i don't even know if he was ever a top 15 player (even in a 21 team league).

A little research I see? lol
- Domaju

Everyone knows that stuff.... common knowledge.

He absolutely was.

In any given season, there are 23 roster spots X 30 teams. So 690 players will play (more if you consider call ups from the minors).

Yet only 4 players a year can go to the Hockey Hall of Fame.

Consistently above average isn't enough.

You have to be in the top 00.5%.

Sorry, but Gartner wasn't ever even close to that.
- Atomic Wedgie

Fair enough.

Dont bring that up

I wanted to punch Ballard straight in between the eyes when i heard that
- peddy-93

Dont bring that up

I wanted to punch Ballard straight in between the eyes when i heard that
- peddy-93

Ballard was long dead by then.

Stavro nixed the deal. But go easy on the little grocer - it wasn't that he didn't want Gretzky - he just didn't have the money. Knob Hill Farms was bleeding badly.

That's my point.

The HHOF celebrates guys who play the longest.

In his prime, Lindros was the most exciting player to watch. Nobody before him, and nobody since has had such a total package of skill and brawn and meanness.

Yet he's still out of the Hall, and people wonder if Cujo will get voted in.

Sorry, I don't agree with this.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'd argue that until OV settled his game down because of suspensions he was up there. He was exciting to watch when he played physical and flattened people and still had amazing skill.

But other than that, you're right, nobody I can think of that could literally do it all at that high a level.

Hey, a Chris Pronger clone wouldn't be bad for any team, regardless of where he's from...


If we suck though(But predictably, not enough to get MacKinnon) I'd hope for Barkov or Monahan. Or Domi. Just cuz.
- Feeling Glucky?

Monahan looks to be a really good player, and if we have a mid 1st rounder, im sure thats where Domi will be.

What if we do have the 1st overall and he chooses Jones over MacKinnon?

6 players in NHL history have more than 700 goals.

6 players out of all NHL players alltime....

Whats the percentage on that?
- robin_steele264

I think the fact we're debating this is redundant since he's already in the HOF anyway.

6 players in NHL history have more than 700 goals.

6 players out of all NHL players alltime....

Whats the percentage on that?
- robin_steele264

Because the HHOF celebrates longevity over all else.

Combine that with the fact that Gartner timed it perfectly - he played in the highest scoring era of all time.

Did you ever watch him play? He was above average. Heck, he was better than that, as his tenure on Team Canada would attest.

He was never a superstar.

There won't ever be a weaker eligibility class, though.

Already, two guys who absolutely deserve to be there are left out: Shanny and Lindros. And I'm sure people here could name a few more.

With only 4 guys in a year, it makes it awfully difficult. And it won't ever get easier.
- Atomic Wedgie

There eventually will be a "weaker" class. I mean a lot of people were confused as to why Howe got in last year, if he had been eligible this year, he wouldn't have made it probably.

So there will be a time when Lindros will get in, but he'll probably be the 4th place finisher.

Monahan looks to be a really good player, and if we have a mid 1st rounder, im sure thats where Domi will be.

What if we do have the 1st overall and he chooses Jones over MacKinnon?
- peddy-93

if we are picking first overall next year I doubt Burke will be making the pick

Everyone knows that stuff.... common knowledge.
- robin_steele264

Right...yeah...I knew all that

if we are picking first overall next year I doubt Burke will be making the pick
- Sammich

Nonis?

Poll question: If Burke gets fired, who do you want to replace him?

I'd argue that until OV settled his game down because of suspensions he was up there. He was exciting to watch when he played physical and flattened people and still had amazing skill.

But other than that, you're right, nobody I can think of that could literally do it all at that high a level.
- Domaju

Did you ever watch Lindros in his prime?

Sorry, but there is absolutely no comparison to their physical games.

Because the HHOF celebrates longevity over all else.

Combine that with the fact that Gartner timed it perfectly - he played in the highest scoring era of all time.

Did you ever watch him play? He was above average. Heck, he was better than that, as his tenure on Team Canada would attest.

He was never a superstar.
- Atomic Wedgie

I always wondered why that era had the highest scoring: they often talk about the horrendous goaltending, but why was the goaltending so bad? Perhaps it was all the expansion of the late 70s/80s that stretched the talent pool thin so the good players were head and shoulders above the others.

Or maybe it was the cocaine.

Ballard was long dead by then.

Stavro nixed the deal. But go easy on the little grocer - it wasn't that he didn't want Gretzky - he just didn't have the money. Knob Hill Farms was bleeding badly.
- Atomic Wedgie

True, but you think Gretzky saying he'd take the 2 million over 20 years would have been a way around that. I mean that's only $100,000 a year for 20 years. Yes we'd still be paying him and it would affect our cap now probably, but not very much lol

Because the HHOF celebrates longevity over all else.

Combine that with the fact that Gartner timed it perfectly - he played in the highest scoring era of all time.

Did you ever watch him play? He was above average. Heck, he was better than that, as his tenure on Team Canada would attest.

He was never a superstar.
- Atomic Wedgie

Doug Gilmour was never a superstar, and he got in.



*turtles*

I'd argue that until OV settled his game down because of suspensions he was up there. He was exciting to watch when he played physical and flattened people and still had amazing skill.

But other than that, you're right, nobody I can think of that could literally do it all at that high a level.
- Domaju

Cam Neely.