you know, last lockout, i didn't care. i thought both sides were (frank)ing retarded. but now, i'm firmly on the players' side. they made out well in the last CBA, but that wasn't by design. it was a matter of timing and explosion of digital content and the arrival of all these new revenue streams for the league. it's all combined to drive up league-wide revenues and subsequently the salary cap. and the willfully ignorant owners let their GMs hand out ridiculous contracts (Gomez, DiPietro, Redden, etc.) that drove up salaries and changed the face of NHL contracts in general. the owners railed for cost certainty and they got it. now they want a bigger portion of revenues.

if you're a member of the NHLPA, especially one of the guys who experienced the last lockout, how dug in are you this? these guys won't let the NHL bend them over again. it would be PA suicide.
- DoubleDown

Players are still employees, very well paid employees. They really have nothing to complain about.

I remember Michael Farber saying (at the time when Burns was still alive) that people wouldn't consider him a HOFer if he didn't have cancer. Also Farber is on the voting board.
- mr.peanut

he won three Jack Adams Awards with three different teams.....

you know, last lockout, i didn't care. i thought both sides were (frank)ing retarded. but now, i'm firmly on the players' side. they made out well in the last CBA, but that wasn't by design. it was a matter of timing and explosion of digital content and the arrival of all these new revenue streams for the league. it's all combined to drive up league-wide revenues and subsequently the salary cap. and the willfully ignorant owners let their GMs hand out ridiculous contracts (Gomez, DiPietro, Redden, etc.) that drove up salaries and changed the face of NHL contracts in general. the owners railed for cost certainty and they got it. now they want a bigger portion of revenues.

if you're a member of the NHLPA, especially one of the guys who experienced the last lockout, how dug in are you this? these guys won't let the NHL bend them over again. it would be PA suicide.
- DoubleDown

They didnt hire Fehr to let Bettman bend them over, my money is on Fehr.

They didnt hire Fehr to let Bettman bend them over, my money is on Fehr.
- eihcnerf

My money is on Gally in the OHL because there is a lockout in October

he won three Jack Adams Awards with three different teams.....
- eihcnerf

He won a cup.

He won a cup.
- eihcnerf

He made the leafs a (frank)ing respectable team, how (frank)in good you gotta be to do that...

he won three Jack Adams Awards with three different teams.....
- eihcnerf

Just shows you who the 'experts' think are worthy.

My money is on Gally in the OHL because there is a lockout in October
- Symba007

Technically aren't the leafs in line to get Mackinnon if they do lock out?

He made the leafs a (frank)ing respectable team, how (frank)in good you gotta be to do that...
- eihcnerf

Very good.

Technically aren't the leafs in line to get Mackinnon if they do lock out?
- eihcnerf

Habs would also have a shot....

Just shows you who the 'experts' think are worthy.
- mr.peanut

Half of them are still mad cause burns ripped them a new bumhole at some point, place or another.

Technically aren't the leafs in line to get Mackinnon if they do lock out?
- eihcnerf

If it's the same style as last time. Yes.

Habs would also have a shot....
- Symba007

Cant remember the rules any longer, and likely they will change it again in the new CBA to help the leafs.

Players are still employees, very well paid employees. They really have nothing to complain about.
- habs12

they're not complaining! they were presented this deal and they accepted it. they don't want more.

and this is not a typical business model. you own a car factory, any schmuck can plug a screw into a hole. the labour in the NHL is irreplaceable. they feed the owners as much as the owners feed them.

They didnt hire Fehr to let Bettman bend them over, my money is on Fehr.
- eihcnerf

agree. i think we're in for a long hiatus.

If it's the same style as last time. Yes.
- mr.peanut

Basterds, Burkie and MLSE gonna reject every MFing thing.

Basterds, Burkie and MLSE gonna reject every MFing thing.
- eihcnerf

Bell and Rogers own MLSE now. Hard to see why they wouldn't want them on tv.

agree. i think we're in for a long hiatus.
- DoubleDown

Yup, been saying it for quite a while, and just like last time only ones losing is the fans, and it will again prove absolutely nothing and likely make it worse if anything. The bad contracts will still be signed.

Yup, been saying it for quite a while, and just like last time only ones losing is the fans, and it will again prove absolutely nothing and likely make it worse if anything. The bad contracts will still be signed.
- eihcnerf

I think if there is one, we may see some teams move or fold. Doug Maclean said that the Jackets lost $19 million during the last lockout and probably haven't finished making it up yet.

agree. i think we're in for a long hiatus.
- DoubleDown

If there is a lockout/strike it's unlikely it will go past Nov.
Biggest outdoor game ever set to go plus the 24/7 thing.

Players are still employees, very well paid employees. They really have nothing to complain about.
- habs12

true but they are collectively bargained terms of employment for a very specific type of labor and they're well paid becasue they generate huge revenues for the owners.

owners walked away from the last round snapping their suspenders at how they'd totally won. they got the cap they wanted, salary rollbacks, an amnesty for bad deals. the point was the more they made the more everyone would get. now they're making more and they want to go all hungry hungry hippo on a larger piece of the pie and all this becasue they spent the past 4 years trying to circumvent their own rules.

(frank) them.

true but they are collectively bargained terms of employment for a very specific type of labor and they're well paid becasue they generate huge revenues for the owners.

owners walked away from the last round snapping their suspenders at how they'd totally won. they got the cap they wanted, salary rollbacks, an amnesty for bad deals. the point was the more they made the more everyone would get. now they're making more and they want to go all hungry hungry hippo on a larger piece of the pie and all this becasue they spent the past 4 years trying to circumvent their own rules.

(frank) them.
- dt99999

This, all of it, totally!!!!

they're not complaining! they were presented this deal and they accepted it. they don't want more.

and this is not a typical business model. you own a car factory, any schmuck can plug a screw into a hole. the labour in the NHL is irreplaceable. they feed the owners as much as the owners feed them.
- DoubleDown

Id be will to guess that almost 1/3 the owners are losing money though.

he Edmonton Oilers are expected to introduce Ralph Krueger as their new head coach at a press conference scheduled for Wednesday.

true but they are collectively bargained terms of employment for a very specific type of labor and they're well paid becasue they generate huge revenues for the owners.

owners walked away from the last round snapping their suspenders at how they'd totally won. they got the cap they wanted, salary rollbacks, an amnesty for bad deals. the point was the more they made the more everyone would get. now they're making more and they want to go all hungry hungry hippo on a larger piece of the pie and all this becasue they spent the past 4 years trying to circumvent their own rules.

(frank) them.
- dt99999

When they said the new CBA was for 6 years with a 7th option year, things were not on the right path.