Not saying that at all. I'm saying that the assists are just as important as the goals. It's a team game. All the little plays behind the goals that you deem as not carrying the same weight. Are of the utmost importance. It's why a team like LA was so good. They played a connected team game all over the ice. Made the plays that led to the goals. So many subtle plays are made on the ice that are ignored. And only the guy who put the puck in the net is seen as important. - MJL
I know what you're saying, but I think if you look at the plays being made by the guy getting 2nd As versus the guys getting the Goals and 1As, the guy getting the 2nd A is often (but not always) not doing much more than chipping the puck out of the zone, or making a simple little pass play players make 100s of time a game....this as opposed to the guys getting primary As and Goals, who are often making finesse plays/dekes, skilled passes and/or finishing with precision. So, while it's not conclusive, I think there is some merit to making a distinction between these types of points.
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ Joined: 03.17.2006
Jun 26 @ 4:53 PM ET
Funny how people are so concerned with their bans (and the reasoning behind them). Usually it's due to them acting like a schmutz, yet when they come back it's just more of the same.
Anyhow, no to Ryan, no to Nash, and no to anyone that will cost the team more than they're getting in return, or will be a detriment to what the Flyers need - team defense. We have enough defensive liabilities in the forward ranks as it is. - tangent_man
Funny how people are so concerned with their bans (and the reasoning behind them). Usually it's due to them acting like a schmutz, yet when they come back it's just more of the same.
Anyhow, no to Ryan, no to Nash, and no to anyone that will cost the team more than they're getting in return, or will be a detriment to what the Flyers need - team defense. We have enough defensive liabilities in the forward ranks as it is. - tangent_man
I didn't even ban the guy, just warned him...
If you and Bullies weren't banned during the playoffs with your rudeness in our thread you should understand how much leeway i give...
If you and Bullies weren't banned during the playoffs with your rudeness in our thread you should understand how much leeway i give... - canadianpenfan
I read exactly what you said. And I read the exact context of your post. And I disagree with that point. And in my opinion that is incorrect. Assists are just as important as the goal. It's all connected in the team game. - MJL
Not looking at any individual, but a team needs a good balance of play-makers and snipers. Some excellent play-makers make average guys into snipers (aka Giroux/Hartnell). And, some snipers are less reliant on play-makers.
I believe Voracek is better over-all player (edges Ryan in play-making, size, speed, defense, etc...). Ryan on the other hand is a better sniper (goes to the net, more hits, uses his size better, etc...). Whether you trade Voracek for Ryan is really about what do you think the Flyers need more of.
Personally, if we trade for Ryan - I'd like to keep Ryan and Voracek, and trade away defense (like Mez). We made it through a good part of last years reg. season without a good defense - playing Bourdon/Gus/Lilja... Bourdon/Gus will only get better. I still believe a big part of the problem last year was the system - not necessarily the players. And, if needed - we can always pick up a vet d-man at trade deadline for the final push and playoffs.
Funny how people are so concerned with their bans (and the reasoning behind them). Usually it's due to them acting like a schmutz, yet when they come back it's just more of the same.
Anyhow, no to Ryan, no to Nash, and no to anyone that will cost the team more than they're getting in return, or will be a detriment to what the Flyers need - team defense. We have enough defensive liabilities in the forward ranks as it is. - tangent_man
Agreed to your first paragraph.
As to your second paragraph, I had just finished my blog that took the last two months to write building a case for icing a team of five forwards at all times.
As to your second paragraph, I had just finished my blog that took the last two months to write building a case for icing a team of five forwards at all times.
*poopcans it* - Flyskippy
Even without quoting it, I knew you actually wrote "poopcans". C'mon, Skip...live a little, will ya?
I know what you're saying, but I think if you look at the plays being made by the guy getting 2nd As versus the guys getting the Goals and 1As, the guy getting the 2nd A is often (but not always) not doing much more than chipping the puck out of the zone, or making a simple little pass play players make 100s of time a game....this as opposed to the guys getting primary As and Goals, who are often making finesse plays/dekes, skilled passes and/or finishing with precision. So, while it's not conclusive, I think there is some merit to making a distinction between these types of points. - phantasm
I don't think there is any merit to it. The player who makes the right play in his own end that leads to a rush the other way resulting in a goal is just as responsible for the goal, as the goal scorer. So many times a player fails to make that play, and then the fans get on him. But when the play is made, it's deemed not as important. I disagree with that thinking wholeheartedly.
Short answer: That's how you end up with those Gagne-for-Walker and NJ sends 1st-round pick and the Vladimir Malakhov contract for two minor league non-prospects type of trades that come from dealing from a position of weakness where a team is desperate to shed a big contract.
The Flyers need to stay as close as possible to the in-season cap (going over within Pronger's LTIR). They would need to let Carle and Jagr both walk to realistically put out a competitive offer for Parise. - bmeltzer
I think Parise is out of the question either way. I would look more toward a Shane Doan if he leaves PHX, which is highly unlikely. I'd be thrilled with PA Parenteau for a 2.5 a year Cap hit, and then a Biron/clemmenson/cheap back-up for 850k. Hopefully Carle signs for around 4.50 and Voracek for around 2.5-3 as well.
Good tangent. And yourself? Haven't seen you for awhile... - canadianpenfan
Doing well. I tend to avoid the off season ravings around here...I can only shake my head so much without having to consult Primeau and Pronger about good Doctors.
I think Parise is out of the question either way. I would look more toward a Shane Doan if he leaves PHX, which is highly unlikely. I'd be thrilled with PA Parenteau for a 2.5 a year Cap hit, and then a Biron/clemmenson/cheap back-up for 850k. Hopefully Carle signs for around 4.50 and Voracek for around 2.5-3 as well.
I don't think there is any merit to it. The player who makes the right play in his own end that leads to a rush the other way resulting in a goal is just as responsible for the goal, as the goal scorer. So many times a player fails to make that play, and then the fans get on him. But when the play is made, it's deemed not as important. I disagree with that thinking wholeheartedly. - MJL
What about the player that makes the play before the player that makes the play, makes the play? Where the heck is his stinking point?
Doing well. I tend to avoid the off season ravings around here...I can only shake my head so much without having to consult Primeau and Pronger about good Doctors. - tangent_man
I think Parise is out of the question either way. I would look more toward a Shane Doan if he leaves PHX, which is highly unlikely. I'd be thrilled with PA Parenteau for a 2.5 a year Cap hit, and then a Biron/clemmenson/cheap back-up for 850k. Hopefully Carle signs for around 4.50 and Voracek for around 2.5-3 as well.
