He is so overrated by Flyers fans it's not even funny. You would think he was the next Claude Giroux with the way Flyers fans talk about him
- Flyers2821

Why is he so over rated, as you say?

I'm not off my rocker. I haven't said anything farfetched yet.

Gus and MAB have nothing more to gain from playing in the AHL, plain and simple.
- mochoson

But they have more to gain by sitting in the press box on a nightly basis watching games?

Why is he so over rated, as you say?
- JoeRussomanno

He is a solid player, nothing more nothing less.

we already know Timmonen's start date is up in the air. With the way our D is set up I don't see the need to rush him back. Good lord how many years know has he been ground to a pulp come april?
- JoeRussomanno

Timonen not starting on time, Grossman and Mezsaros both injured throughout playoffs, etc

Nothing wrong with having 8 dmen on your roster.

I like Gus but his size worries me at times because he was not very good in that Devils series but than again who was.
- stveshdy

I think Gus could be a player similar to Alex Goligoski or Stephane Robidas as he develops.

He is so overrated by Flyers fans it's not even funny. You would think he was the next Claude Giroux with the way Flyers fans talk about him
- Flyers2821

I think he's being valued fairly here. He made steady strides in season, leading up to a postseason in which he was among the most important players on the ice for us. And I think he's quite capable of carrying this progress into next season.

Just because people aren't rushing to trade him for some new toy doesn't mean they think he's the greatest player ever.

I know a lot of guys love matt carle but if the flyers didnt sign him and went after Justin Schultz to take his place wouldnt this work out better for the flyers and there cap situation? I have never liked carle as a player and dont think he is worth more or even close to what Braydon Coburn is worth to this team (the playoffs really showed this). Carle gets a ton of ice time and a lot on the power play so his point total is not that impressive. I still cant figure out why you have a guy on the point of your power play whos shot tops out at 45mph.
- mace14

Why are so many guys so sure that a complete rookie out of college, no matter his level of self-esteem, can step right in and take the place of a 6-season NHL vet whose played major minutes and grown in responsibility over his development? There is a lot of "oooh....shiny" thinking going on here (and among NHL teams).

But they have more to gain by sitting in the press box on a nightly basis watching games?
- Flyers2821

That's for Laviolette for decide. If you have 8 NHL dmen between guys under-performing and earning a scratch, injuries, etc, how long are they honestly going to sit?

I'd rather both play 30 NHL games and be with the team all year practicing, learning the ropes of the NHL more, getting more comfortable with their NHL team-mates, the coaches and the system then to be back with the poor excuse of a farm club that is the Phantoms.

Your talking as if they are blue-chip prospects who's development is going to be hindered from sitting on a bench here and there. They are both, at best, bottom pairing guys at the NHL level. Their nothing special.

Why are so many guys so sure that a complete rookie out of college, no matter his level of self-esteem, can step right in and take the place of a 6-season NHL vet whose played major minutes and grown in responsibility over his development? There is a lot of "oooh....shiny" thinking going on here (and among NHL teams).
- bodiva88

amen

Is it October yet?

with a healthy Grossman and the addition of L Schenn the flyers D should be much improved and I see B Schenn having a good year with his brother here and hopefully the big Bryz will have his head screwed on and work with the goalie coach. Read, Coots and Voracek will all be better so I see this flyer team with 6 more points than last year.

But they have more to gain by sitting in the press box on a nightly basis watching games?
- Flyers2821

The way our team takes injuries I doubt they see less than 30 games next year.

I think he's being valued fairly here. He made steady strides in season, leading up to a postseason in which he was among the most important players on the ice for us. And I think he's quite capable of carrying this progress into next season.

Just because people aren't rushing to trade him for some new toy doesn't mean they think he's the greatest player ever.
- BulliesPhan87

+1

Why are so many guys so sure that a complete rookie out of college, no matter his level of self-esteem, can step right in and take the place of a 6-season NHL vet whose played major minutes and grown in responsibility over his development? There is a lot of "oooh....shiny" thinking going on here (and among NHL teams).
- bodiva88

I agree, I've been a bit curious about this Justin Schultz kid for a while now. I don't doubt he's a talented soon-to-be rookie with plenty of potential, but without even one day of professional experience I feel like there's a lot of assumption going on with him. I've even heard him described as a 'stud' by some, how can we even say that yet? To me, he's still only an NHL-ready prospect, even in light of all the potential and the UFA hype.

Why are so many guys so sure that a complete rookie out of college, no matter his level of self-esteem, can step right in and take the place of a 6-season NHL vet whose played major minutes and grown in responsibility over his development? There is a lot of "oooh....shiny" thinking going on here (and among NHL teams).
- bodiva88

+2

He is a solid player, nothing more nothing less.
- Flyers2821

You do realize he only registered 8 points less than Ryan right? Also he's three years younger. Right about the age when Ryan went on a tear. Simmonds a year older took giant step form this past season to what he was a year before. Not saying Jake will do the same but it's something to consider.

I think he's being valued fairly here. He made steady strides in season, leading up to a postseason in which he was among the most important players on the ice for us. And I think he's quite capable of carrying this progress into next season.

Just because people aren't rushing to trade him for some new toy doesn't mean they think he's the greatest player ever.
- BulliesPhan87

I think he'll put up numbers comparable to Ryan within a year or two. He already finished 8 points less. He needs to work on his finishing then look out.

I have returned.

Over MAB? Did you watch the playoffs?

Gus is an NHLer now as far as I'm concerned.
- mochoson

i agree -- that's why I let Carle walk.

Grossmann - Coburn
Kimmo - Schenn
Meszaros - Gus

But they have more to gain by sitting in the press box on a nightly basis watching games?
- Flyers2821

I think we saw quite clearly the benefit of carrying extra defensemen through this past season. The seven and eight spots are going to be utilized, it's almost certain.

I think he's being valued fairly here. He made steady strides in season, leading up to a postseason in which he was among the most important players on the ice for us. And I think he's quite capable of carrying this progress into next season.

Just because people aren't rushing to trade him for some new toy doesn't mean they think he's the greatest player ever.
- BulliesPhan87

May want to double-check the ph levels of your pool.
- bradleyc4

ph? hell i think that water must be toxic. time to quarantine that sucker and call CDC...

Why are so many guys so sure that a complete rookie out of college, no matter his level of self-esteem, can step right in and take the place of a 6-season NHL vet whose played major minutes and grown in responsibility over his development? There is a lot of "oooh....shiny" thinking going on here (and among NHL teams).
- bodiva88

Because he's that good and should have been in the NHL this year.

If Bob Mackenzie says the guy can step into just about any teams Top 4 and thrive, Ill take his word for it.

I've seen him play a few games. He's un-(frank)ing believable.

The defensemen were a problem. SO much so that Homer had to go out and get two of them at the deadline. If you don't need Ryan then there's no sense in getting him at the cost of shedding a defenseman and a 2nd or 3rd line winger for 15 more goals a year, even if that's how much more it would be which none of us even knows. What we do know is he got 8 or 9 points more than the one forward we are willing to trade.

All this Bobby Ryan trade really does is deplete the needed depth we need. Every year the Flyers are depleted do to injury. Not for lack of goal scoring. IF team defense was an even bigger problem than the actual defenseman why deplete your roster of players who contribute to the solution? You want Bobby Ryan, fine but don't overpay. He's not worth more than Mezaros and maybe a late round draft pick. Mezaros is a dynamic defenseman, who battled back from what should have been a season maybe career ending injury. On top of that he was our best defenseman last year with names like Timonen and Pronger playing. As for Coburn, I'd say he was our best defenseman this year, either one of those guys should be enough for Ryan otherwise you're overpaying.

Please a first round pick, look at the players we've found with late first round picks....
- JoeRussomanno

I have problems all over with this post. First. We traded for 2 defensman at the deadline yes. Why? Because the guys we had were rookies. Now they have a year under thier belts. They also have added Grossmann and instead of having 2 rookies playing regularly and more if there was an injury, now you will only have 1 if there is an injury.

As for Ryan only scoring 8 more points. There is a big difference between someone that scores 15 more goals and someone that has the same amount of "points" Reason being... secondary assists. Ryan has had 30 or more goals in EVERY season he has played. That does not come along very often in players. Even our top paid player hasn't done that.

As for depleting our depth. We need to deplete our depth a little. Its starting to get over paid on defense, and while we have a lot of players that are up and coming and can contribute, it is a waist to pay them for limited minutes. It's like spreading butter too thin. I would rather use some of that depth that might not get enough time to play and use it on a guy that will be our #2 guy. Fill in the scoring depth to address the defensive need at forward.

Meszaros is a nice defenseman, but him and a late round pick IS WAY off base for Ryan. Meszaros was the most improved 2 years ago. He was not better then Pronger, or Timonen. And he had a slight herniated disc and floating bone chip. That is not a career ending injury.

Right now Ryan is a top line player and all-star in this league. He is still young enough that I can say I'm not sure he peaked, but even if he has and this is the best he gets, its still worth Voracek, and Meszaros if a 2nd or 3rd round pick comes back with him.

You do realize he only registered 8 points less than Ryan right? Also he's three years younger. Right about the age when Ryan went on a tear. Simmonds a year older took giant step form this past season to what he was a year before. Not saying Jake will do the same but it's something to consider.
- JoeRussomanno

I like Jake -- but can't go through these 1 year deals all the time....and I think he'll never be as good as Bobby Ryan.