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mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 26 @ 1:26 PM ET
There is no room.

Coburn-Grossman
Timonen-Schenn
Meszaros-Carle/FA signing
Lilja

and MAB needs to clear waivers to go back down the the Phantoms.

- Flyers2821


What's wrong with them keeping both? You dont think they waive Lilja if they like them both that much?
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:26 PM ET
And in the Pittsburgh series he completely shut-down Malkin on 3 consecutive shifts who is not only one of the best on the planet, but he towers over Gus.

Gus is our 7th man until further notice.

- mochoson


Why in the world would you sit Gus on the bench as the 7th d-man? How does that help him or the team in any way shape or form?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:26 PM ET
And in the Pittsburgh series he completely shut-down Malkin on 3 consecutive shifts who is not only one of the best on the planet, but he towers over Gus.

Gus is our 7th man until further notice.

- mochoson


I dont question whether or not he can do it a shift or even 10 shifts. I'm more concerned with him holding up over an entire season and seeing if he can play consistantly at this level.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 26 @ 1:26 PM ET
And in the Pittsburgh series he completely shut-down Malkin on 3 consecutive shifts who is not only one of the best on the planet, but he towers over Gus.

Gus is our 7th man until further notice.

- mochoson


It will come down to who's better in training camp as to who makes the team. Also MAB is subject to waivers, I think.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:26 PM ET
What's wrong with them keeping both? You dont think they waive Lilja if they like them both that much?
- mochoson


And what sit their two best prospect d-men on the bench as back ups? Why on earth would they do that?
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 26 @ 1:27 PM ET
Why in the world would you sit Gus on the bench as the 7th d-man? How does that help him or the team in any way shape or form?
- Flyers2821


The same it helps having any other dman be your 7th man. He has nothing more to gain from being in the AHL
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 26 @ 1:28 PM ET
And what sit their two best prospect d-men on the bench as back ups? Why on earth would they do that?
- Flyers2821


Their not prospects.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:28 PM ET
The same it helps having any other dman be your 7th man. He has nothing more to gain from being in the AHL
- mochoson


How about... playing? You would rather Gus just be sitting in the press box every game than down in the AHL actually playing games?
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:28 PM ET
I think they should offer Bourdon or Gus/Cousins/1st round pick. Keep all your assests. Flyers are in no rush to acquire Ryan so they can sit back and build the rest of their team through UFA. If the Ducks are willing to lower the asking price like the offer I suggested then I would make the move.
- stveshdy



I think you're thinking right, just don't think that offer gets it done. I agree with most, if it's clear that he wants to play in Philly when he becomes a FA just wait it out. You don't NEED his offense.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 26 @ 1:28 PM ET
The same it helps having any other dman be your 7th man. He has nothing more to gain from being in the AHL
- mochoson

With the way our guys get injured I don't think Gus will be on the bench that much.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jun 26 @ 1:29 PM ET
Just because Holmgren keeps saying he is confident they are going to re-sign Carle does not mean anything. Since when did we take Holmgren for his word? Him coming out and saying he is confident they are going to re-sign Carle actually implies to me that they are not going to re-sign him.
- Flyers2821


Carle's agent, and more importantly, the player himself, have said the same thing.

While anything is possible, Carle's return seems very likely.

Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:29 PM ET
Their not prospects.
- mochoson


Then what are they? How many NHL games have they played?
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 26 @ 1:29 PM ET
How about... playing? You would rather Gus just be sitting in the press box every game than down in the AHL actually playing games?
- Flyers2821


Would you rather Lilja on the bench, or in the AHL playing?

Gus' ceiling is that of a bottom pairing dman. Hes exactly where he should be on a deep team.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:29 PM ET
I think you're thinking right, just don't think that offer gets it done. I agree with most, if it's clear that he wants to play in Philly when he becomes a FA just wait it out. You don't NEED his offense.
- canadianpenfan


I believe that deal doesnt get it done either which is why I think the Flyers will look in another direction. The asking price is too high right now.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 26 @ 1:30 PM ET
With the way our guys get injured I don't think Gus will be on the bench that much.
- JoeRussomanno


Common sense exists.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:30 PM ET
Common sense exists.
- mochoson


Then you can just call him up from the AHL...
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 26 @ 1:30 PM ET
Patrik Elias said he's our best forward other then Giroux.

I think Patrik Elias knows more about hockey then just about everyone in here combined x9834983

- mochoson

Voracek looked very good in the postseason, the increased expectations of him for next season are well earned.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:31 PM ET
Would you rather Lilja on the bench, or in the AHL playing?

Gus' ceiling is that of a bottom pairing dman. Hes exactly where he should be on a deep team.

- mochoson


Lilja is a 40 year old veteran in the league. Young players don't get any better by sitting on the bench.

To compare Lilja and Gus just shows your off your rocker with this one.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 26 @ 1:31 PM ET
Then what are they? How many NHL games have they played?
- Flyers2821


How many AHL games have they played? How good are the Phantoms?

You wanna send back down guys that paid their dues on a terrible farm team who don't deserve it? You wanna send down guys who actually played better in the NHL then then did in the AHL?

I'm sure Gus and MAB would be thrilled if either had to go back to playing for the juggernaut that is the Phantoms.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:31 PM ET
Voracek looked very good in the postseason, the increased expectations of him for next season are well earned.
- BulliesPhan87


My only concern is expecting all these players to put up the same number of goals b/c that isn't happening. So the Flyers better get their butts in check defensively and they wont have to score more goals.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 26 @ 1:32 PM ET
Common sense exists.
- mochoson

we already know Timmonen's start date is up in the air. With the way our D is set up I don't see the need to rush him back. Good lord how many years know has he been ground to a pulp come april?
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:32 PM ET
Carle's agent, and more importantly, the player himself, have said the same thing.

While anything is possible, Carle's return seems very likely.

- bmeltzer



Bill, seeing as how you cover the Stars...

What do you think Dallas is looking for in return for Ott?
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:32 PM ET
Voracek looked very good in the postseason, the increased expectations of him for next season are well earned.
- BulliesPhan87


He is so overrated by Flyers fans it's not even funny. You would think he was the next Claude Giroux with the way Flyers fans talk about him
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 26 @ 1:33 PM ET
Lilja is a 40 year old veteran in the league. Young players don't get any better by sitting on the bench.

To compare Lilja and Gus just shows your off your rocker with this one.

- Flyers2821


I'm not off my rocker. I haven't said anything farfetched yet.

Gus and MAB have nothing more to gain from playing in the AHL, plain and simple.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:33 PM ET
How many AHL games have they played? How good are the Phantoms?

You wanna send back down guys that paid their dues on a terrible farm team who don't deserve it? You wanna send down guys who actually played better in the NHL then then did in the AHL?

I'm sure Gus and MAB would be thrilled if either had to go back to playing for the juggernaut that is the Phantoms.

- mochoson


It has nothing to do with how good the Phantoms are and everything to do with them actually playing in games... i don't even know how I got caught up in such an absurd argument.
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