I didn't say a generational superstar. I said better then schneider.

Obviously you think Schneids is the next best thing out there. He's good, will play solid. But he's had the luxury of a presidents cup team in front of him and a star goalie to split time with. Not much stress there at all.

Who knows, him cramping up like he did in chicago way be how he really reacts to pressure.

I'd rather put my hopes in Jankowski then kadri. And Flames had to take a long shot. None of the drafts they would have made at that point would have made a difference this year. So getting a 2nd pick and stocking the cupboards is a good move.

But you don't have to worry about that since everyone wants to play in toronto right.
- numbear

Its obvious by this statement that you didnt watch any Canuck games last year......the reason the Canucks won the PC was because of the goaltending........

According to Canucks fans, Schneider is a top 5 goalie in the league.

According to Canucks fans, Lack is going to be better than Schneider.

What's "weak" is that you should be able to connect these two dots...
- As_I_See_It

Never heard this....grasping at straws....

AS I SAID... "GO... LOOK... IT... UP... YOURSELF!"

You'll find it in old HB threads!
- As_I_See_It

Verification that you're just making all this up. I know no Canucks fan has ever referred to Lack in the way you made up. You can't back up your lies, so you bring out the old wobbly: 'look it up'. Continuing weak, weak, weak. Done I guess.

All due respect to Theodore, but Luongo is the better goalie by a fair bit. Theo had his best year since before the lockout and Lu had a so-so year by his standards. And with that Luongo still had better numbers. Luongo is a star while Theodore is a capable stopgap.

If Tallon can get Luongo at a reasonable cost, I think it would be well worth it for them. Markstrom is a quality prospect, but that's all he is. The kid is 22 with a 2-5-1 record in 8 NHL starts. Luongo is a proven #1.
- micah555

pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

take or him or pretend you really want him

pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
pleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

take or him or pretend you really want him
- Canada Cup

Thats the Leafs mantra....

Its obvious by this statement that you didnt watch any Canuck games last year......the reason the Canucks won the PC was because of the goaltending........
- chompsey

I know that. But that doesn't mean schnieder is a generational talent.

he's a solid goalie. No denying that

pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
pleasepleasepleaseplease

take or him or pretend you really want him
- Canada Cup

Your team is on an 8 year playoff drought and currently banking on a tandem of goalies that posted an average .901 S% last year and who have 38 career wins better them. The Canucks are coming off back to back President's Trophies and have 2 great goalies. We really aren't the desperate ones.

im sure it more than just the Leafs involved
- Canuckfan2006

so take off the Canuck blinders - no one is trying to insult the Canucks, nor is anyone saying that Luongo is a "bad goalie", he isn't.

what needs to be examined is which
1) teams need 1st goaltenders AND
2) which teams can afford a 5+M CAP hit for 10 years.

I would suggest that there are only two or perhaps three teams that would go out of their way for a 1st string goalie.. and again a smaller list who will be able to take the CAP hit - we all know who those teams are.

I don't believe Florida is one those teams. Columbus was one of those teams - who just went out and got a young goalie from Philly... and I'm guessing new young goalie or not - Columbus wouldn't want to afford Luongo's contract.

The market is small.

Therefore - Gillis is trying to create the appearance of a larger one.

Your team is on an 8 year playoff drought and currently banking on a tandem of goalies that posted an average .901 S% last year and who have 38 career wins better them. The Canucks are coming off back to back President's Trophies and have 2 great goalies. We really aren't the desperate ones.
- micah555

At the end of the day this is all still a business and the Leafs will make more money than the Canucks if they miss the playoffs for another 10 years.

The leafs will never be the desperate ones.

If Leafs have to give up ANYTHING substantial for Lu they will walk. Guaranteed.

Your team is on an 8 year playoff drought and currently banking on a tandem of goalies that posted an average .901 S% last year and who have 38 career wins better them. The Canucks are coming off back to back President's Trophies and have 2 great goalies. We really aren't the desperate ones.
- micah555

You sound like the guy's agent -- carry on

At the end of the day this is all still a business and the Leafs will make more money than the Canucks if they miss the playoffs for another 10 years.

The leafs will never be the desperate ones.

If Leafs have to give up ANYTHING substantial for Lu they will walk. Guaranteed.
- D.Lemieux

That's a curious way to look at it. "Sure, we're a terrible hockey team, but that's secondary because we earned more money than the Canucks this year." Wouldn't making the playoffs increase profits? So wouldn't the people involved in decision making be inclined to try to affect changes that would result in greater success and greater profitability? I recall JFJ looking pretty desperate before he got the boot.

At the end of the day this is all still a business and the Leafs will make more money than the Canucks if they miss the playoffs for another 10 years.

The leafs will never be the desperate ones.

If Leafs have to give up ANYTHING substantial for Lu they will walk. Guaranteed.
- D.Lemieux

This is messed up logic.

At the end of the day this is all still a business and the Leafs will make more money than the Canucks if they miss the playoffs for another 10 years.

The leafs will never be the desperate ones.

If Leafs have to give up ANYTHING substantial for Lu they will walk. Guaranteed.
- D.Lemieux

You do realize how much profit comes from playoff revenues, right? Especially since the teams don't have to pay the players' salary in the playoffs.

Also, the Canucks have the longest current sellout streak in the NHL, so....

I'm sure revenue for merchandise is slightly more for TO, but I doubt it makes up considerable ground.

That's a curious way to look at it. "Sure, we're a terrible hockey team, but that's secondary because we earned more money than the Canucks this year." Wouldn't making the playoffs increase profits? So wouldn't the people involved in decision making be inclined to try to affect changes that would result in greater success and greater profitability? I recall JFJ looking pretty desperate before he got the boot.
- micah555

Oh I'm not saying the leafs are the better team. That clearly isn't true. I'm saying BB is on a much shorter leash than when he first got here. The new owners are likely watching very closely and at this point won't allow BB to make desperate decisions to save his job.

Yes playoffs make more money but a 10 year contract at fairly big money could do a lot to keep the leafs out of the playoffs more years than it puts them in it.

All due respect to Theodore, but Luongo is the better goalie by a fair bit. Theo had his best year since before the lockout and Lu had a so-so year by his standards. And with that Luongo still had better numbers. Luongo is a star while Theodore is a capable stopgap.

If Tallon can get Luongo at a reasonable cost, I think it would be well worth it for them. Markstrom is a quality prospect, but that's all he is. The kid is 22 with a 2-5-1 record in 8 NHL starts. Luongo is a proven #1.
- micah555

The definitive comment is "can get Luongo at a reasonable cost" - then it would be well worth it for several teams.

What everyone's interpretation of reasonable is - is the question.

There's no way, for example - that Florida takes on Luongo without sending CAP hit back in return. Depending upon whom FLorida wants to include makes the deal either or less appealing than what Burke is offering.. simple as that. Columbus would appear to be out of the running, so who else does that leave. San Jose... perhaps. Detroit maybe. Islanders would probably like to ... but you have got to ask yourself would the Canucks like DiPietro's salary coming back? and so it will go... until Gillis either determines he wants to enter the season with approximately 9M invested in his goalies - and with Schneider probably not happy and Luongo also not happy.

So if you're wondering who'll blink first - it will be the guy who needs to sign an RFA to a reasonable contract - and his chance of doing that will be compromised if he still has another goalie on the books for $5CAP a year.... it is just that simple.

This is messed up logic.
- PanthersGoal

You are thinking with the logic of a fan not with the logic of one the execs that make the decisions.

It was Tallon who said he called. Why would he care what Gillis would get from Toronto?
- stormey

Leaf fans always think everything is about them.Has nothing to do with Lu loves Southbeach and his family lives there , it has to do with Gillis trying to trick Burke

You are thinking with the logic of a fan not with the logic of one the execs that make the decisions.
- D.Lemieux

Well, based on your original post regarding this subject, you're really incriminating yourselves as Leaf fans then...as in "A sucker is born every minute"...

Oh I'm not saying the leafs are the better team. That clearly isn't true. I'm saying BB is on a much shorter leash than when he first got here. The new owners are likely watching very closely and at this point won't allow BB to make desperate decisions to save his job.

Yes playoffs make more money but a 10 year contract at fairly big money could do a lot to keep the leafs out of the playoffs more years than it puts them in it.
- D.Lemieux

Given the quality of gaoltending presented by Roberto Luongo and the quality of goaltending currently available to the Leafs, I would think it is a very justifiable move to bring in a goalie of Luongo's calibre. As mentioned, the Leafs are rich. The cap hit of the contract is fair value for Lu. It really isn't an issue when it comes to greatly improving the Leafs for the next 5 years or so. Making the playoffs would more than compensate for his services.

Leaf fans always think everything is about them.Has nothing to do with Lu loves Southbeach and his family lives there , it has to do with Gillis trying to trick Burke
- VANTEL

Luongo's home is nowhere near SouthBeach.

Luongo's home is nowhere near SouthBeach.
- PanthersGoal

Closer than Kensington

The definitive comment is "can get Luongo at a reasonable cost" - then it would be well worth it for several teams.

What everyone's interpretation of reasonable is - is the question.

There's no way, for example - that Florida takes on Luongo without sending CAP hit back in return. Depending upon whom FLorida wants to include makes the deal either or less appealing than what Burke is offering.. simple as that. Columbus would appear to be out of the running, so who else does that leave. San Jose... perhaps. Detroit maybe. Islanders would probably like to ... but you have got to ask yourself would the Canucks like DiPietro's salary coming back? and so it will go... until Gillis either determines he wants to enter the season with approximately 9M invested in his goalies - and with Schneider probably not happy and Luongo also not happy.

So if you're wondering who'll blink first - it will be the guy who needs to sign an RFA to a reasonable contract - and his chance of doing that will be compromised if he still has another goalie on the books for $5CAP a year.... it is just that simple.
- BorjeFan4Ever

What's worse: Luongo as a backup for $5.3m or Komisarek as a 6th/7th Dman at $4.5m? I'd take Lu. If Gillis doesn't get a serviable return for Lu, the team will be worse for the drop off in talent at the backup position. Taking a salary dump back isn't an improvement. Luongo isn't a drain on a team. He's a top talent. This isn't Gomez.

The Canucks have filed for arbitration with Schneider. If he doesn't get offer sheeted, he's got no option other than Vancouver. He's been with the team a long time and has been patient. He knows the time is at hand to becoming a starter either here or somewhere else. I doubt he tries to tie Gillis's hands at improving this club with him or in trading him somewhere else.

Personally, I'd like to see Lu and Booth to SJ for Thronton and Niemi. Then we would waive Niemi. Goaltending has failed the Sharks since Nabakov left.

What's worse: Luongo as a backup for $5.3m or Komisarek as a 6th/7th Dman at $4.5m? I'd take Lu. If Gillis doesn't get a serviable return for Lu, the team will be worse for the drop off in talent at the backup position. Taking a salary dump back isn't an improvement. Luongo isn't a drain on a team. He's a top talent. This isn't Gomez.

The Canucks have filed for arbitration with Schneider. If he doesn't get offer sheeted, he's got no option other than Vancouver. He's been with the team a long time and has been patient. He knows the time is at hand to becoming a starter either here or somewhere else. I doubt he tries to tie Gillis's hands at improving this club with him or in trading him somewhere else.

Personally, I'd like to see Lu and Booth to SJ for Thronton and Niemi. Then we would waive Niemi. Goaltending has failed the Sharks since Nabakov left.
- micah555

This. I've actually relayed this idea past a few Sharks fans who claimed it wouldn't happen given the GM's overt love of Thornton. Still, it's a good idea in principal.

Given the quality of gaoltending presented by Roberto Luongo and the quality of goaltending currently available to the Leafs, I would think it is a very justifiable move to bring in a goalie of Luongo's calibre. As mentioned, the Leafs are rich. The cap hit of the contract is fair value for Lu. It really isn't an issue when it comes to greatly improving the Leafs for the next 5 years or so. Making the playoffs would more than compensate for his services.
- micah555

Yost's recent blog which I agree with contradicts your statement. And is the a really good example of why the leafs should stay away from Lu for both hockey and financial reasons.

I think the one thing we are not considering here is that like it or not Luongo is a world class Gold medal winning Goalie who wants to go to Florida. Has singled that team out. Lots of players say they want to play in Canada, for New York, Philly, Toronto, Detriot... very few players of Bobby Lou's stature ever say, "I want to play in a Southern market" Having Lu singling out Florida could start making the Panthers a team that attracts bigger names. For a smaller market team that's not something that comes along all the time.

Understand I like the Panthers & Tallon a lot, I like what they did last year and actually predicted they'd make the playoffs. But they are NOT a destination players usually ask to get traded to.
- flyler

Good post.