Giroux only makes 3.75?? He's going to get a huge raise.
- flyersfan51

He becomes a free agent a year before Briere's contact expires... Danny only makes $2MM the last year - maybe we could talk him into retiring and give his $6.5+MM salary to Giroux.

Ouch... by the way. We got Rinaldo, Coots, B.Schenn, Read (UFA) and Giroux most RFA with contracts expiring in 14/15.

This whole point comparison thing is crazy. What is the difference in goals? Wait I'll look it up so I'm not like others on this board.... okay Ryan has 13 more goals. That is a big difference IMO.
- RooNosHockey

So for 13 more goals (cause we all know scoring is a big need for the flyers ) we have to give up a winger who's barely begun to hit his potential, a top four defenseman + a pick? He's not worth it. At least not to the flyers he shouldn't be.
Furthermore I don't think it's a stretch to say Jake can be a 25+ goal a year guy, he didn't see extended time on the top two lines and when he was he looked good.

Let's not shake up the roster to get a playmate for Giroux when we can through FA possibly or even (this might be a shocker here for a lot people) see if we have one in the organization now.

He becomes a free agent a year before Briere's contact expires... Danny only makes $2MM the last year - maybe we could talk him into retiring and give his $6.5+MM salary to Giroux.

Ouch... by the way. We got Rinaldo, Coots, B.Schenn, Read (UFA) and Giroux most RFA with contracts expiring in 14/15.
- leon neon

G's going to be at least a $7m cap hit. Probably between $8-9m.

G's going to be at least a $7m cap hit. Probably between $8-9m.
- NickTheKid87

Worth every cent of that money.

So for 13 more goals (cause we all know scoring is a big need for the flyers ) we have to give up a winger who's barely begun to hit his potential, a top four defenseman + a pick? He's not worth it. At least not to the flyers he shouldn't be.
Furthermore I don't think it's a stretch to say Jake can be a 25+ goal a year guy, he didn't see extended time on the top two lines and when he was he looked good.

Let's not shake up the roster to get a playmate for Giroux when we can through FA possibly or even (this might be a shocker here for a lot people) see if we have one in the organization now.
- JoeRussomanno

true....I know anaheim is going to look for value.....I'd love to get Ryan for Bourdon and a pick but to me that's very undervalued......
- flyersfan51

I've seen a lot of overvalued trade options for Ryan. This is the first undervalued one (good job). But, who-knows... it may depends on the pick or picks... 1st next year and our 2nd the following, keep adding lower round picks until ANA says OK? Bourdon fills ANA short term need for a young defenseman - he is good, and will gain consistency, but probably won't get too much better. The picks are the long term insurance that the deal balances out.

Worth every cent of that money.
- stveshdy

One of the few players who will actually be worth their cap hit. There aren't many. Right now he has the best value in the game by far.

I've seen a lot of overvalued trade options for Ryan. This is the first undervalued one (good job). But, who-knows... it may depends on the pick or picks... 1st next year and our 2nd the following, keep adding lower round picks until ANA says OK? Bourdon fills ANA short term need for a young defenseman - he is good, and will gain consistency, but probably won't get too much better. The picks are the long term insurance that the deal balances out.
- leon neon

If the Flyers offer Bourdon and a 1st round pick for Ryan that's embarrassing (not saying you are).

You have to assume the Flyers will be a solid team so that draft choice is not going to be in the Top 15.

If the Flyers offer Bourdon and a 1st round pick for Ryan that's embarrassing.

You have to assume the Flyers will be a solid team so that draft choice is not going to be in the Top 15.
- stveshdy

We drafted claude giroux with the 22nd pick, it's not like we are offering them used jockstraps.

So for 13 more goals (cause we all know scoring is a big need for the flyers ) we have to give up a winger who's barely begun to hit his potential, a top four defenseman + a pick? He's not worth it. At least not to the flyers he shouldn't be.
Furthermore I don't think it's a stretch to say Jake can be a 25+ goal a year guy, he didn't see extended time on the top two lines and when he was he looked good.

Let's not shake up the roster to get a playmate for Giroux when we can through FA possibly or even (this might be a shocker here for a lot people) see if we have one in the organization now.
- JoeRussomanno

Hey Slow down Joe. First I dont want to give up a pick, but a top 4 and Voracek isnt a bad deal. Ryan has never scored less then 30 goals in his career. A lot of that was on a second line.

Could Jake reach 25. Sure. I dont see his ceiling being as high as some people here though. I would rather get a pure goal scorer like Ryan, open cap room to resign Jagr and Carle. Who knows. Maybe you can even get another UFA defenseman.

We drafted claude giroux with the 22nd pick, it's not like we are offering them used jockstraps.
- JoeRussomanno

Do you like to argue?

How often does that happen? You make it seem like Claude Girouxs hang out at 22 every single year.

Do you like to argue?

How often does that happen? You make it seem like Claude Girouxs hang out at 22 every single year.
- stveshdy

He did, 22nd street in Sea Isle with Carter

I've seen a lot of overvalued trade options for Ryan. This is the first undervalued one (good job). But, who-knows... it may depends on the pick or picks... 1st next year and our 2nd the following, keep adding lower round picks until ANA says OK? Bourdon fills ANA short term need for a young defenseman - he is good, and will gain consistency, but probably won't get too much better. The picks are the long term insurance that the deal balances out.
- leon neon

We don't need Ryan. And We DO need Coburn and Mezzy more than Ryan. You are right, some of the deals I would do. But some of these offers throwing in a first round pick is patently absurd.

You are trading from a weak point to fortify an already strong point. Would I do Voracek, Bourdon and a 3rd, or 4th round pick..... MAYBE. But I don't think Anaheim would.

And to be honest, why should the Flyers act as if they are the ones dealing from a position of weakness? It is RYAN who has said he wants to be moved. It is RYAN who said he would love to come to the Flyers, but that doesn't and shouldn't mean that the Flyers have to weaken themselves in order to make it happen.

Anaheim should be the one in the weak position. They are the ones who have the unhappy player. The Flyers would be crazy to do most of the deals mentioned in here today. The Flyers have the power here, or should, they are the ones who can and should walk away if the deal isn't EXACTLY what they want it to be.

He did, 22nd street in Sea Isle with Carter
- Deasr1

So do you think a team values having a top 10 pick more than a top 20?

If you offer a 1st and Bourdon for Ryan then your living in a fantasy world. The computer on NHL 13 wont even accept that deal.

We don't need Ryan. And We DO need Coburn and Mezzy more than Ryan. You are right, some of the deals I would do. But some of these offers throwing in a first round pick is patently absurd.

You are trading from a weak point to fortify an already strong point. Would I do Voracek, Bourdon and a 3rd, or 4th round pick..... MAYBE. But I don't think Anaheim would.

And to be honest, why should the Flyers act as if they are the ones dealing from a position of weakness? It is RYAN who has said he wants to be moved. It is RYAN who said he would love to come to the Flyers, but that doesn't and shouldn't mean that the Flyers have to weaken themselves in order to make it happen.

Anaheim should be the one in the weak position. They are the ones who have the unhappy player. The Flyers would be crazy to do most of the deals mentioned in here today. The Flyers have the power here, or should, they are the ones who can and should walk away if the deal isn't EXACTLY what they want it to be.
- MBFlyerfan

I agree with you. However what we value the players is completely different from Homer. If I took a poll on this site I would guarantee that 90% of the people would not of traded JvR for Schenn straight up.

Hey Slow down Joe. First I dont want to give up a pick, but a top 4 and Voracek isnt a bad deal. Ryan has never scored less then 30 goals in his career. A lot of that was on a second line.

Could Jake reach 25. Sure. I dont see his ceiling being as high as some people here though. I would rather get a pure goal scorer like Ryan, open cap room to resign Jagr and Carle. Who knows. Maybe you can even get another UFA defenseman.
- RooNosHockey

It is a bad deal. A top four defenseman to the Flyers is priceless right now. What it is to other teams? I don't care. The Flyers finally have a solid top 6. Yea we can plug Bourdon, Gus, Mandog, etc in there but we thought the same things about Bartulis and parent. For 13 more goals? No thanks. A solid blue line is more important than a playmate for Giroux when he have a player/players that could most like be as Good as Ryan. Let's not forget Wayne Simmonds went from 14 goals and the next year 28 goals. We have players on this team with high ceilings and it's very likely they hit that ceiling.

Therefore I don't see where this need is for the flyers to disrupt their blueline, move picks when they've picked up some beauties with their first round picks (see Claude Giroux). Also an injury depleted blueline has been a problem for years, why continue that tradition, to fill a non-need?

Do you like to argue?

How often does that happen? You make it seem like Claude Girouxs hang out at 22 every single year.
- stveshdy

There was Mike Richards too. No I don't like to argue but saying offering them a first and bourdon is embarrasing when we got Voracek and a first round pick for Carter is another thing.

You didn't answer my question, which was delibrately not pertaining to the topic, that way when you answer sques the debate in my favor.

BTW... Let me post that I originally said.

I'm sorry, but I see Voracek as a more gifted, more physical version of Ville Lieno. I think his top potental is a second line wing support player. He doesn't have the scoring ability to be a scoring winger, and I dont think he as the vision of a set up man like Oates or Giroux. So I would make him part of a deal for someone I believe who's potential is a top line scorer with all-star potantial.

I never said he wont play on a scoring line. I said he would be the SUPPORT winger NOT a scoring winger. And because SOME PEOPLE are thick as brick, I later posted that my 0 finishing ability was a sarcastic overstatement.
- RooNosHockey

I never said that you did say that he wouldn't play on a scoring line. And the post you reposted above is not the post that I replied to.

Here was the question you asked. Which I absolutely answered.


"Do you expect all of them to duplicate their career performance? "

So do you think a team values having a top 10 pick more than a top 20?

If you offer a 1st and Bourdon for Ryan then your living in a fantasy world. The computer on NHL 13 wont even accept that deal.
- stveshdy

Why are you yelling at me? I was just trying to make a funny.

I agree with you. However what we value the players is completely different from Homer. If I took a poll on this site I would guarantee that 90% of the people would not of traded JvR for Schenn straight up.
- stveshdy

I don't think I would have either. But in that case, I think Homer was factoring in need as much as the players themselves. And the real question becomes, do the Flyers need Schenn more than they need JVR?

I also think the the disparity in cap hits probably also factored in to the deal. I would have liked to have gotten at least a pick in the deal from Toronto. But TO was taking on more cap.....Not saying it is right or wrong...just sayin'.

I think Schenn will be good for us in the end by the way.

Luke Schenn had 270 hits in 79 regular season games last season. Scott Hartnell led the Flyers with 188. Nearly 3.5 per game for L. Schenn.




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There was Mike Richards too. No I don't like to argue but saying offering them a first and bourdon is embarrasing when we got Voracek and a first round pick for Carter is another thing.
- JoeRussomanno

You got a Top 10 pick. Completely different.

Luke Schenn had 270 hits in 79 regular season games last season. Scott Hartnell led the Flyers with 188. Nearly 3.5 per game for L. Schenn.




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- aosplayo

Him and Grossmann could form a sweet PK tandem.

Luke Schenn had 270 hits in 79 regular season games last season. Scott Hartnell led the Flyers with 188. Nearly 3.5 per game for L. Schenn.




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- aosplayo

This is what gives me hope. He also blocked a lot of shots. At 22 these are pretty impressive numbers. And we have to keep reminding ourselves that Schenn is only 22. Not 26 or 27. He also only got 61 PM as well.

He won't reach that. I believe he will be locked up long term after next year. Once the new CBA is out, I wouldn't be surprised if he was locked up before 7/1 next year.
- Deasr1

Unless the rule changes in the next CBA, they won't be allowed to reup Giroux until 7/1 next year.