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Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jun 25 @ 1:03 PM ET
They should be ashamed of themselves. Did any of them offer an apology? I can't seem to recall, maybe I'm wrong...
- JoeRussomanno

Probably on the retraction page in 8pt type under the credits that no one reads.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 25 @ 1:03 PM ET

- Deasr1


Give Leighton his due. He took the Flyers team to the Stanley Cup Finals. If we played better "team" defense against Chicago we could of won that series.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:03 PM ET
Probably on the retraction page in 8pt type under the credits that no one reads.
- Flyskippy

is there one on twitter?
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jun 25 @ 1:04 PM ET
Not saying it isn't a problem, but I think we will find that a lot of the defensive problems this year were due to youth.
- Flyers1218


On the offensive side yes, but the defensemen were mostly vets. I wouldn't mind giving up Mez nearly as much as Coburn but I think giving up either would hurt more than help.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 25 @ 1:04 PM ET
I think the flyers ver much have Parise on their radar. Crunching the numbers they can offer him what's reported and be tight to the cap. When are the flyers never operating right up to the cap? The team has a hole at RW now on the top line. Holmgren will go after him especially with Pittsburgh in the game big time now
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:04 PM ET
Give Leighton his due. He took this team to a Stanley Cup. If we played better "team" defense against Chicago we could of won that series.
- stveshdy

There was a lot of things to be pointed at but that goal he gave up to Kane was awful. Also team defense made him look better in those playoffs, especially against Montreal.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:05 PM ET
The Flyers could lose 20 goals out of their total and still be a contender, they score an abundance of goals. you seem to think Wellwood is a 20 goal scorer, I'm inclined to agree with you.

No one said anything about picks? all I been reading is Voracek +Coburn (arguably this year's best defenseman for us)/Mezaros(last year's best defenseman for us)+picks. That's absurd. I don't mind a Voracek and prospect or later round draft pick, but you guys are really underestimating what Voracek can become. 18 goals at 21/22 years of age isn't bad and Ryan wasn't scoring goals in the NHL from 19-22 years of age he was playing in the minors.

Voracek is sound defensively (something the flyers need) with tremendous offensive upside. IF anything what we should be doing is trying to get a forward through FA we just made moves to improve our D and Bobby Ryan isn't a world breaker the Flyers can and will compete without him. He'd be a great addition to the Flyers yes but overpaying for him would defeat the purpose which is building a cup team unless of course we just want to win fantasy leagues I don't know maybe that's what it is...

- JoeRussomanno


I never said Wellwood would be a 20 goal scorer. I think he has talent though. I'm sorry, but I see Voracek as a more gifted, more physical version of Ville Lieno. I think his top potental is a second line wing support player. He doesn't have the scoring ability to be a scoring winger, and I dont think he as the vision of a set up man like Oates or Giroux. So I would make him part of a deal for someone I believe who's potential is a top line scorer with all-star potantial.

Now I never said I was going to trade picks to get him. My offer would be Voracek and Meszaros for Ryan and a 3rd, or Voracek and Coburn for Ryan and a second. Flyers can throw in a conditional pick if Voracek doesnt sign, but that should get it done IMO.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:06 PM ET
I think the flyers ver much have Parise on their radar. Crunching the numbers they can offer him what's reported and be tight to the cap. When are the flyers never operating right up to the cap? The team has a hole at RW now on the top line. Holmgren will go after him especially with Pittsburgh in the game big time now
- Just5

I heard he'd like to play with Crosby, but I can't see how that can't be the case with Giroux either.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jun 25 @ 1:06 PM ET
I think the flyers ver much have Parise on their radar. Crunching the numbers they can offer him what's reported and be tight to the cap. When are the flyers never operating right up to the cap? The team has a hole at RW now on the top line. Holmgren will go after him especially with Pittsburgh in the game big time now
- Just5


What do you use to pick up the Flyers' pulse? A Sphygmomanometer, stethoscope, or just two fingers?
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jun 25 @ 1:06 PM ET
I'm excited that Homer announced that Leighton has a chance to be signed as a backup to Bryz.
- stveshdy


i don't know if i'd go so far as to say excited, but i'd be ok with leighton as the backup
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 25 @ 1:06 PM ET
There was a lot of things to be pointed at but that goal he gave up to Kane was awful. Also team defense made him look better in those playoffs, especially against Montreal.
- JoeRussomanno


Montreal didnt have much firepower that entire year. However, my boy Leighton was putting up shutouts because he was a monster in net.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jun 25 @ 1:07 PM ET
Agreed.

I don't think Shero trades Michalek without a sense that he could land Suter and / or Parisi.

- TheGreat28

Neither will go to Pitt. Parise wants to be "The Man" on a team and Suter doesnt want to play in the east, and wants to play closer to home.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:08 PM ET
I never said Wellwood would be a 20 goal scorer. I think he has talent though. I'm sorry, but I see Voracek as a more gifted, more physical version of Ville Lieno. I think his top potental is a second line wing support player. He doesn't have the scoring ability to be a scoring winger, and I dont think he as the vision of a set up man like Oates or Giroux. So I would make him part of a deal for someone I believe who's potential is a top line scorer with all-star potantial.

Now I never said I was going to trade picks to get him. My offer would be Voracek and Meszaros for Ryan and a 3rd, or Voracek and Coburn for Ryan and a second. Flyers can throw in a conditional pick if Voracek doesnt sign, but that should get it done IMO.

- RooNosHockey

I'd rather have Voracek and those other guys names that keep getting thrown around at 6 goals a year less than what we'd get with Ryan. Sorry but two Roster players for that guy is overpayment esecially the names I keep hearing included.

He's not that big of a need, if worst comes to worst, bring back Jagr for another year. You were just telling me a couple weeks ago how he'll improve.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 25 @ 1:08 PM ET
i don't know if i'd go so far as to say excited, but i'd be ok with leighton as the backup
- FlyerMike18


Leighton is definately a backup goalie at the NHL level. When he is signed at the right price.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:09 PM ET
Montreal didnt have much firepower that entire year. However, my boy Leighton was putting up shutouts because he was a monster in net.
- stveshdy

He wasn't having to do a whole lot in that Montreal series....
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:09 PM ET
What do you use to pick up the Flyers' pulse? A Sphygmomanometer, stethoscope, or just two fingers?
- Flyskippy


2 fingers is all it takes if you know what your doing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 1:10 PM ET
Capgeek and Bill all discussed this on twitter. All the bonus reducers for B. Schenn were only for year 1 of his contract. The only thing that could knock Schenn's salary back down to 1.75 is a bonus cushion. If there isn't one, the Flyers are on the hook for the 3+MM salary for him.

EDIT: And don't talk to me like I'm stupid or your child.

- Flyers1218


No not all the bonuses. Only the one for the 82 game bonus, which was only for the first year of his deal. Which you now know why I said Schenn's Cap hit won't drop on the first day of the Season as it did the previous Season when Schenn started in the minors. But you told me what I said was false. Obviously it wasn't. And Schenn has other bonuses in his contract that at some point could lower his Cap hit when it is determined that he won't meet them.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:12 PM ET
I'd rather have Voracek and those other guys names that keep getting thrown around at 6 goals a year less than what we'd get with Ryan. Sorry but two Roster players for that guy is overpayment esecially the names I keep hearing included.

He's not that big of a need, if worst comes to worst, bring back Jagr for another year. You were just telling me a couple weeks ago how he'll improve.

- JoeRussomanno


I do want Jagr back. I want Ryan-Giroux-Jagr line. Jagr creates so much space for Giroux and Hartnell.... IMO Jagr is what made Hartnell open to take Giroux's passes. I think Ryan with more time and space would just kill it. And he might actually be able to pass the puck back to Giroux or Jagr.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jun 25 @ 1:12 PM ET
why can't anaheim just Sign him and then drive the price up for Ryan since then they won't need as many defensemen? Who's to say the Flyers can beat every offer he's gonna get there's other teams looking for defenseman. this isn't NHL13 you don't just look at the FA list and say Oh I want that guy okay click on the offer and sign button. Case in point the Flyers tried to get Brad Richards last year, where he end up? With a team that confetti's their team after a playoff win because it takes a miracle most years for them to get into the playoffs.

Free agent doesn't=automatic Flyer.

- JoeRussomanno


i don't remember saying that it was automatic. anaheim can sign him if they'd like.

Brad Richards ended up with the Rangers, thankfully not the Flyers. I'm sure the flyers have better odds of signing Free Agents then other teams. Players like to play here.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jun 25 @ 1:12 PM ET
2 fingers is all it takes if you know what your doing.
- RooNosHockey

Now I know why MJL hates you

BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 25 @ 1:13 PM ET
There was a lot of things to be pointed at but that goal he gave up to Kane was awful. Also team defense made him look better in those playoffs, especially against Montreal.
- JoeRussomanno


I don't hold Leighton personally responsible for losing the Cup or anything like that. He played well and was a big part of the team going as far as they did. I just think it's time to move on from him. There was that weirdness about him leaving the team without permission or something, and then the whole lying about his health/injury status as he was signing his new contract. I'm just ready for him to go somewhere else.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:13 PM ET
I do want Jagr back. I want Ryan-Giroux-Jagr line. Jagr creates so much space for Giroux and Hartnell.... IMO Jagr is what made Hartnell open to take Giroux's passes. I think Ryan with more time and space would just kill it. And he might actually be able to pass the puck back to Giroux or Jagr.
- RooNosHockey

He's been playing on a pretty decent line in Anaheim not so sure he'd do THAT much better here.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 25 @ 1:14 PM ET
I wish there was a way that the Flyers could just give Matt Walker away.

Just look at Homers words after acquiring him:

"He’s another defenseman that can really help us over the long hall.

He’s a good compliment to the guys we have, and can move the puck, and carry the puck, and provide offense".


Anaheim you interested?
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jun 25 @ 1:14 PM ET
I'm excited that Homer announced that Leighton has a chance to be signed as a backup to Bryz.
- stveshdy


please tell me you're joking.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 25 @ 1:14 PM ET
Neither will go to Pitt. Parise wants to be "The Man" on a team and Suter doesnt want to play in the east, and wants to play closer to home.
- Richieattack18


Its going to be hard to be "the man" on a team that already has expectations to win. Are you saying he is ok going to a team not expecting to win just so he can be "the man"? Not being like you know who... just curious.
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