So in the interested in moving back to hockey from packs of internet wild dogs...I'd like to see Strome get his 9 games this year. Let him anchor the 2nd with some decent talent and see how he does. If he makes a case to stick around longer, that's fantastic news. If he isn't ready then no problem, back to Niagara he goes.
So in the interested in moving back to hockey from packs of internet wild dogs...I'd like to see Strome get his 9 games this year. Let him anchor the 2nd with some decent talent and see how he does. If he makes a case to stick around longer, that's fantastic news. If he isn't ready then no problem, back to Niagara he goes. - eichiefs9
I'm interested to see what he has too but I'm wary of keeping him up even if he makes a case. I may just have a case of Ninoitis or something?
I'm interested to see what he has too but I'm wary of keeping him up even if he makes a case. I may just have a case of Ninoitis or something? - Cptmjl
It's certainly a fair concern and one I understand. But the other side, to me, is that Nino is going to be looked upon to play a strong physical/defensive game, with a nice compliment of offense. That's a lot more on his plate, which is why power forwards and defenseman tend to take longer to adjust to the NHL game. Strome won't be expected to bring the same level of physicality, defense, and grit that Nino is. Not to say nobody cares about his defensive play, but my number one expectation of Strome is to provide secondary offense to JT's line. Out of Nino I expect a strong two-way game, coupled with the (eventual) ability to chip in 60-or-so points per year.
It's certainly a fair concern and one I understand. But the other side, to me, is that Nino is going to be looked upon to play a strong physical/defensive game, with a nice compliment of offense. That's a lot more on his plate, which is why power forwards and defenseman tend to take longer to adjust to the NHL game. Strome won't be expected to bring the same level of physicality, defense, and grit that Nino is. Not to say nobody cares about his defensive play, but my number one expectation of Strome is to provide secondary offense to JT's line. Out of Nino I expect a strong two-way game, coupled with the (eventual) ability to chip in 60-or-so points per year. - eichiefs9
It's certainly a fair concern and one I understand. But the other side, to me, is that Nino is going to be looked upon to play a strong physical/defensive game, with a nice compliment of offense. That's a lot more on his plate, which is why power forwards and defenseman tend to take longer to adjust to the NHL game. Strome won't be expected to bring the same level of physicality, defense, and grit that Nino is. Not to say nobody cares about his defensive play, but my number one expectation of Strome is to provide secondary offense to JT's line. Out of Nino I expect a strong two-way game, coupled with the (eventual) ability to chip in 60-or-so points per year. - eichiefs9
Not something I had in mind when you have the 5th pick in the first rd. I would expect a lot more from a top 5 pick and if that's what they feel is his ceiling then why take him so high?
So in the interested in moving back to hockey from packs of internet wild dogs...I'd like to see Strome get his 9 games this year. Let him anchor the 2nd with some decent talent and see how he does. If he makes a case to stick around longer, that's fantastic news. If he isn't ready then no problem, back to Niagara he goes. - eichiefs9
Preseason first, then make that call, imo. Actually, rookie games first (are we playing the Bs twice again for that? I think the Isles should enter that tournament with all the other teams, personally). Then preseason. If he looks the same this year as he did in preseason last year, I'm not sure if he should be rewarded with 9 games just because of where he was picked. Especially if one of the B-port-bound players convincingly outplays him. Maybe they should get a quick look and a chance to stick in that case instead. I guess my point is, it should be entirely merit-based. deHaan, for example, with have to outplay Donovan and Ness for a spot on the Isles' D. Strome should have to outplay Nino, Nelson and Kabanov to earn a look with the Isles.
Not something I had in mind when you have the 5th pick in the first rd. I would expect a lot more from a top 5 pick and if that's what they feel is his ceiling then why take him so high? - Vukota
I'm in no way comparing the two because one is a prospect and one is a proven successful NHL power forward...but Lucic, in his best offensive season, put up 62 points. Power forwards almost always aren't going to give you 80-90 point seasons, because they get a lot of defensive zone starts and play against the oppositions best offensive forwards.
Now I know nothing obviously, but they took him to be a great two-way forward that can finish. When I say my hope is 60ish points a season for him, I mean I expect around a 30-30 season, not 10g and 50 assists. If that's the case, then yes taking him 5th was dumb. But if he can pot a good amount of goals consistently, then I have no issue with taking him where we did.
Not something I had in mind when you have the 5th pick in the first rd. I would expect a lot more from a top 5 pick and if that's what they feel is his ceiling then why take him so high? - Vukota
Look at it this way. 30-35 goals and 25-30 assists and tack on physical play. That sounds more like a top five prob putting it that way, maybe? This is of course if he pans out?
Not something I had in mind when you have the 5th pick in the first rd. I would expect a lot more from a top 5 pick and if that's what they feel is his ceiling then why take him so high? - Vukota
Imo, it's because with a power forward, they should bring a lot more than just the points they put up. It's why they're so valuable, and why I keep flying off the handle when people compare power forwards to finesse players. Finesse players are all about the points they put up. Power forwards are about pressuring the opposing D, bringing a physical element, being a presence in front of the net, using their strength to keep the puck deep in the zone, etc. A power forward doing his job and putting up 55 points to boot is more valuable to a team than a finesse player putting up the same 55 points. The power forward in that example should be contributing a lot more to the team's success in the games where he didn't put up points.
Edit...those other guys beat me to it, and now it looks like I'm just piling on
I'm in no way comparing the two because one is a prospect and one is a proven successful NHL power forward...but Lucic, in his best offensive season, put up 62 points. Power forwards almost always aren't going to give you 80-90 point seasons, because they get a lot of defensive zone starts and play against the oppositions best offensive forwards.
Now I know nothing obviously, but they took him to be a great two-way forward that can finish. When I say my hope is 60ish points a season for him, I mean I expect around a 30-30 season, not 10g and 50 assists. If that's the case, then yes taking him 5th was dumb. But if he can pot a good amount of goals consistently, then I have no issue with taking him where we did. - eichiefs9
Imo, it's because with a power forward, they should bring a lot more than just the points they put up. It's why they're so valuable, and why I keep flying off the handle when people compare power forwards to finesse players. Finesse players are all about the points they put up. Power forwards are about pressuring the opposing D, bringing a physical element, being a presence in front of the net, using their strength to keep the puck deep in the zone, etc. A power forward doing his job and putting up 55 points to boot is more valuable to a team than a finesse player putting up the same 55 points. The power forward in that example should be contributing a lot more to the team's success in the games where he didn't put up points.
Edit...those other guys beat me to it, and now it looks like I'm just piling on - UIF
Look at it this way. 30-35 goals and 25-30 assists and tack on physical play. That sounds more like a top five prob putting it that way, maybe? This is of course if he pans out? - Cptmjl
Preseason first, then make that call, imo. Actually, rookie games first (are we playing the Bs twice again for that? I think the Isles should enter that tournament with all the other teams, personally). Then preseason. If he looks the same this year as he did in preseason last year, I'm not sure if he should be rewarded with 9 games just because of where he was picked. Especially if one of the B-port-bound players convincingly outplays him. Maybe they should get a quick look and a chance to stick in that case instead. I guess my point is, it should be entirely merit-based. deHaan, for example, with have to outplay Donovan and Ness for a spot on the Isles' D. Strome should have to outplay Nino, Nelson and Kabanov to earn a look with the Isles. - UIF
Yeah I didn't mean that he should just be handed his NHL tryout on a silver platter, just that I would like to see him earn it this year. I probably should have mentioned that. I'd like to see the Isles do the Traverse City tourny also, although I don't know if that's by invitation or you can just sign up for it.
I know they just released the preseason schedule, although I haven't seen anything about prospect-only games against the Bruins, or any team. That was fun last year.
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Jun 26 @ 4:18 PM ET
Not something I had in mind when you have the 5th pick in the first rd. I would expect a lot more from a top 5 pick and if that's what they feel is his ceiling then why take him so high? - Vukota
for that class, that was the best they felt was out there....
Its mind boggling that they didn't trade him at the deadline. But hey Snow got Moulson so who cares, right? Bad move by Snow - Vukota
My only guess is that they had every reason to believe he was going to re-sign. Not necessarily trying to defend him, but everyone screamed that we should have flipped Nabby too, and that one worked out. At this point hindsight is 20/20, and someone is going to overpay him on too long of a term and regret it.
My only guess is that they had every reason to believe he was going to re-sign. Not necessarily trying to defend him, but everyone screamed that we should have flipped Nabby too, and that one worked out. At this point hindsight is 20/20, and someone is going to overpay him on too long of a term and regret it. - eichiefs9
Of course, but everybody knew they weren't making the playoffs and any GM with an ounce of skill will move that player before the deadline if he is not signed. Not gonna beat a dead horse but it was a horrible decision by Snow. Its not about who is going to overpay or not overpay or what he did playing with JT. If anything Snow should have known somebody will overpay and throw in the fact the Isles are the cheapest team in the league it makes it even worse that they didn't get something for him knowing they wouldn't match any crazy or fair market offers for him.
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Jun 26 @ 4:33 PM ET
Look at it this way. 30-35 goals and 25-30 assists and tack on physical play. That sounds more like a top five prob putting it that way, maybe? This is of course if he pans out? - Cptmjl
Yes it is way to early to say Nino is a bust.
But if I have to take a shot at it. My gut says he wont. pan out as we expect. Not as a top 5 pick.
I realize he was in over his head last season but I never saw any fire in the kid. Fear? YES! Confusion? Yes! Fire? NO. Determination? No! Will and drive? NO and NO.
If your a gritty player. You always have that grit. Regardless of your age. Nino isnt gritty. Same if your a physical player. He's not a checker or a hitter. He's not going to be a POWER FORWARD. He seems to be a finesse player in a big body that is easily intimidated.
Some rookies have lousy seasons but not for lack of trying. Nino rarely looked like he was into it. It was not so much that he made glaring mistakes. Its more like he didnt do anything at all. He didnt hit. He didnt shoot the puck very much. He never scored or set anyone up. (I cant expect him to get assists because of the garbage he played with) I'm sure a yr or maybe even two at Bridgeport will do wonders for the kid. But I'm not expecting John Tonnelli or Milan Lucic or Scott Hartnell. I'm expecting something more along the lines of Kyle Okposo.
Where we will always be expecting more then he's willing or able to give.
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Jun 26 @ 4:35 PM ET
Of course, but everybody knew they weren't making the playoffs and any GM with an ounce of skill will move that player before the deadline if he is not signed. Not gonna beat a dead horse but it was a horrible decision by Snow. Its not about who is going to overpay or not overpay or what he did playing with JT. If anything Snow should have known somebody will overpay and throw in the fact the Isles are the cheapest team in the league it makes it even worse that they didn't get something for him knowing they wouldn't match any crazy or fair market offers for him. - Vukota
And we said so back at that time. We caught hell for it to.
