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deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jun 25 @ 5:50 PM ET
He's ours unless someone gives him an offer sheet. I think he's ours until next year when we'd have to re-qualify him.

The other thing is his qualifying offer must be 105% of his contract. He made 875 last year so this year he'd get 918.5K. It would be in his best interest to take the cash. If teams thought he was worth that type of coin they would've traded for him at the draft. He might luck out and go on waivers though, and at this point that is best case scenario for Omark. To be honest the Oilers really threw him a bone here.

Guys making under 660k have to get 110% qualifying offer and guys make over mil 100%.

- Lahey


So from you are saying it's best for Omark to smarten up and take the offer, go to training camp, try to earn a spot. Now if he doesn't earn a spot on the roster and gets cut, if he gets sent down to AHL, does he have to clear waivers or is there any point where he can be sent down without clearing waivers?
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 5:50 PM ET
I don't think he becomes a UFA until he is 27 or we don't give him a qualifying offer.
- Lahey

This seems crazy. So for the next two years, If we choose to qualify him and he doesnt wanna sign.
He either;
A) plays where he doesnt want
B) doesnt play anywhere
ALEDDO
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Jun 25 @ 5:51 PM ET
This seems crazy. So for the next two years, If we choose to qualify him and he doesnt wanna sign.
He either;
A) plays where he doesnt want
B) doesnt play anywhere

- hugefemale dog77


He can still go to europe or where ever i believe
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jun 25 @ 5:52 PM ET
This seems crazy. So for the next two years, If we choose to qualify him and he doesnt wanna sign.
He either;
A) plays where he doesnt want
B) doesnt play anywhere

- hugefemale dog77


Yeah same thought from me too, it's like a ball and chain on Omark and EDM. Ha.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 5:52 PM ET
Ahhh. The waivers. He can sign, but if we cut him and send him down, he can be claimed
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jun 25 @ 5:52 PM ET
Check out Yost's blog... I said that Pavelec is overrated and not worth 3.9 per, and some clown said same as RNH...

WTF

- laughs2907


Never mind... It was a joke. I thought I found a good friend for Jimmy_T... Oh well.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 25 @ 5:52 PM ET
You might be right, I've been trying to look it up but all it says is "If the player does not sign before December 1st, he is ineligible to play in the NHL for the remainder of the season", which might just mean that he is still an RFA
- ALEDDO

Depends on age as if he was 27 he'd become a UFA.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 5:53 PM ET
He can still go to europe or where ever i believe
- ALEDDO



Or go to europe
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 25 @ 5:53 PM ET
So from you are saying it's best for Omark to smarten up and take the offer, go to training camp, try to earn a spot. Now if he doesn't earn a spot on the roster and gets cut, if he gets sent down to AHL, does he have to clear waivers or is there any point where he can be sent down without clearing waivers?
- deks1

He has to clear waivers. Only way he can go down is if he is sent on a conditioning stint, which I believe he has to agree to or if the NHL changes things in the new CBA.
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jun 25 @ 5:54 PM ET
He has to clear waivers. Only way he can go down is if he is sent on a conditioning stint, which I believe he has to agree to or if the NHL changes things in the new CBA.
- Lahey


So the difference in PRV and Omark is PRV is still in entry level contract so he doesn't have to clear waivers vs Omark is RFA offer?
ALEDDO
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Jun 25 @ 5:54 PM ET
Or go to europe
- hugefemale dog77


Or even to europe of all places
ALEDDO
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Jun 25 @ 5:55 PM ET
So the difference in PRV and Omark is PRV is still in entry level contract so he doesn't have to clear waivers vs Omark is RFA offer?
- deks1


Yes, I believe all entry level contracts are two way contracts
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 25 @ 6:00 PM ET
So the difference in PRV and Omark is PRV is still in entry level contract so he doesn't have to clear waivers vs Omark is RFA offer?
- deks1

Waivers are (frank)ed. It's based on age, games and when you came into the NHL.

In the old system A.K.A. Ea sports version there was one-way deals and two-way deals. One ways meant you got one salary in the NHL and it was the same in the AHL, you also had to clear waivers to go to the AHL. Two way meant you had a NHL salary a AHL salary and you could go up and down waivers no problem.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 25 @ 6:01 PM ET
Yes, I believe all entry level contracts are two way contracts
- ALEDDO

With that being said you play 160 games and you have to clear waivers to go down, such was the convo about Gagner in year 3. Some brilliant reporter suggested the Oilers send Gagner to the AHL to work on his game, didn't realize you can't do that without waivers.
deks1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 02.13.2012

Jun 25 @ 6:01 PM ET
Yes, I believe all entry level contracts are two way contracts
- ALEDDO


Well then Omark would be dumb for not taking the offer. He can take it, try for roster spot and EDM has to send him down thru waivers and he gets claimed and he's long gone from EDM. Easiest way for him to move on, unless he is greedy and feels he deserves more than the offer. He literally has to suck it up for one year of being paid under $1M. Or worst...no ONE takes him thru waivers...LOL.
ALEDDO
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Jun 25 @ 6:07 PM ET
Well then Omark would be dumb for not taking the offer. He can take it, try for roster spot and EDM has to send him down thru waivers and he gets claimed and he's long gone from EDM. Easiest way for him to move on, unless he is greedy and feels he deserves more than the offer. He literally has to suck it up for one year of being paid under $1M. Or worst...no ONE takes him thru waivers...LOL.
- deks1


Ya I dunno, these things are so complicated even for Oilers management apparently
ie. See Oilers trying to call up PRV last season when they weren't allowed to
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jun 25 @ 8:02 PM ET
Smyth doesn't want to kill penalties anymore. He talked about how it wears him out.
- Lahey

When?
abware
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Just Fuching with you guys! Oilers > than Flames! K-man25
Joined: 01.26.2010

Jun 25 @ 9:41 PM ET
I feel ya. She came outta nowhere and is the total it girl right now. Its weird, cause as u say, shes not like mind blowingly hot.


I think it should just be miranda kerr everywhere, all the time.

- hugefemale dog77






Yeah she's alright
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:38 PM ET





Yeah she's alright

- abware


Mother of jesus. Thank u
Killbot460
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Compton, AB
Joined: 08.06.2010

Jun 25 @ 10:43 PM ET
WTF was moroz taking for..... (frank)ing joke he was ranked 72. We already have Abney
Jack-artist
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Yakapoo is khl bound. After t, AB
Joined: 01.27.2010

Jun 25 @ 10:55 PM ET
WTF was moroz taking for..... (frank)ing joke he was ranked 72. We already have Abney
- Killbot460

It was like they panicked when Samuelsson was off the board and thought they had to fulfill their annual random Oil King quota.
ALEDDO
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Jun 25 @ 11:11 PM ET





Yeah she's alright

- abware


I threw up in my mouth a little bit, talk about a butter face
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jun 25 @ 11:12 PM ET
It was like they panicked when Samuelsson was off the board and thought they had to fulfill their annual random Oil King quota.
- Jack-artist


I don't know why they would panic though... They had a day to cup up with who they would take.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jun 25 @ 11:20 PM ET
I don't know why they would panic though... They had a day to cup up with who they would take.
- laughs2907

My perspective is that they neither wanted to risk him not being there at 63 (I don't know that he would have) nor did they want to sacrifice a later pick to be able to get into the late 2nd round. Not the best way to play it, but there you have it.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jun 25 @ 11:22 PM ET
My perspective is that they neither wanted to risk him not being there at 63 (I don't know that he would have) nor did they want to sacrifice a later pick to be able to get into the late 2nd round. Not the best way to play it, but there you have it.
- Morris


I just realized that I said "cup up with" instead of "come up with"... Could this be a sign? I think so... I think sooooo...

Naw, maybe not!

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