Moving JVR to center, might be exactly what he needs to take full advantage of his skills. He was drafted a center, and played center at UNH. Is it possible that his struggles are due to his being played out of position? And JVR is not soft, he's just not a grinder. He is big, strong and fast, similar to Sundin. Who, btw, played wing his first two seasons in Quebec, then was shifted back to center in his third year. One final note, JVR is not a poor face-off man, check his stats. He has an NHL faceoff percentage of 54%.

need more we lost Stuart and Lidstrom, Yandle and Suter would be good duo
- wingz4life

Suter and Campoli

Suter and Campoli
- Symba007

Kuba and Campoli

who are the big name free agents for next free agency? With around 11mill coming off the books next year we may be able to dangle some money around them
- XxHarounXx

http://www.capgeek.com/fr...sition_id=-1&fa_type_id=2

pretty good idea, its from highest paid/cap hit in descending order

Kuba and Campoli
- wingz4life

Should leave enough cap space to sign Penner and A.Kostitsyn

http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.php?year_id=2013&team_id=-1&position_id=-1&fa_type_id=2

pretty good idea, its from highest paid/cap hit in descending order
- dmarsden2988

that list will shrink by 75% by the end of this year

so i tried out JVR for Schenn on nhl 12...
and philly said that we were insulting them! haha we musta fleeced em atta boy burke

Moving JVR to center, might be exactly what he needs to take full advantage of his skills. He was drafted a center, and played center at UNH. Is it possible that his struggles are due to his being played out of position? And JVR is not soft, he's just not a grinder. He is big, strong and fast, similar to Sundin. Who, btw, played wing his first two seasons in Quebec, then was shifted back to center in his third year. One final note, JVR is not a poor face-off man, check his stats. He has an NHL faceoff percentage of 54%.
- Falon

2009 - 2 face-offs taken both lost 0%
2010 - 3 face-offs taken all lost 0%
2011 - 5 face-offs taken 2 won 40%


Well at least he's improving!

Should leave enough cap space to sign Penner and A.Kostitsyn
- Symba007

Jeff Finger is a free agent!
someone call ek and have him check with his sources

Moving JVR to center, might be exactly what he needs to take full advantage of his skills. He was drafted a center, and played center at UNH. Is it possible that his struggles are due to his being played out of position? And JVR is not soft, he's just not a grinder. He is big, strong and fast, similar to Sundin. Who, btw, played wing his first two seasons in Quebec, then was shifted back to center in his third year. One final note, JVR is not a poor face-off man, check his stats. He has an NHL faceoff percentage of 54%.
- Falon

Finally, a hockey fan on here who thinks with good common sense. Anyone who doesn't believe that JVR would be a serious upgrade over Bozak & Conely as the center for Kess & Lup over Bozak & Conelly must be nuts.

Cept Niemi was a FA already. Lou is under contract. You think offer sheeting Schneider is gonna make Gillis trade with Burke. Hell no it isnt. He would prolly take a lesser deal and move him elsewhere to spite him.
- poisondhearts37

Who the hell would trade for a guy that just signed an offer sheet?

Can someone tell what ingredient it is the put in cereal in Toronto? You guys are frequently signing players and aquiring players before their time is even up. Hasnt worked for you thus far.

Burke needs so go BAD. His best days are behind him and he loves nothing more than causing a rucus to widen has already fat ego.

Who the hell would trade for a guy that just signed an offer sheet?
- prock

hockeybuzz logic, dont question it

Can someone tell what ingredient it is the put in cereal in Toronto? You guys are frequently signing players and aquiring players before their time is even up. Hasnt worked for you thus far.

Burke needs so go BAD. His best days are behind him and he loves nothing more than causing a rucus to widen has already fat ego.
- TheCouv

you mean the days where he got the sedin sisters? yeah cause that's working out great for you guys... right? they must've forgotten to write their names on the cup, thats odd

so i tried out JVR for Schenn on nhl 12...
and philly said that we were insulting them! haha we musta fleeced em atta boy burke
- Phil_kessel81

Realy what it comes down to is that both these guys got drafted with HUGE potential. JVR in 07 at #2 overall with the potential to be a great scoring power forward. Schenn being drafted in 08 at #5 overall with the nickname The Human Erasure. Basically the guy that reaches thier true potential, that will be the team that wins the deal. If they both become great than it's a great trade for both teams.

Finally, a hockey fan on here who thinks with good common sense. Anyone who doesn't believe that JVR would be a serious upgrade over Bozak & Conely as the center for Kess & Lup over Bozak & Conelly must be nuts.
- GCHonda

except JVR isnt a center, and his defense isnt exactly where you would like it to be for a center

yes JVR is better then those 2 guys as a player, but if you put him in a position he isnt comfortable with then his production will go down and he wont be as good as he could be......and then you guys will be female doging about that part, its a win/lose

look at parise as an example of putting a winger in for center from last year

Who the hell would trade for a guy that just signed an offer sheet?
- prock

I dont understand what your asking. Theyre saying Burke should offer sheet Schneider to force Gillis into moving Lou. Since Gillis has already said he is gonna match offer sheets on Schneider. So why would Gillis trade Lou to Tor after a Burke offer sheet on Schneider.

Damien Cox does not know how offer sheets work. As it stands now, to deter from long-term offer sheets, any offer over 5 years will take the total amount of the contract (he proposes $40 million over eight years) and divides it by 5 (not the total length of the contract).

$40 million divided by 5 equals $8 million per year—which means the compensation would be four 1st-rd picks. That's a pretty hefty price...
- Fosco

Cox sounds like he is being clever, but stunts like that can blow up in your face. What happens if Gillis decides the three or four first round picks are too tempting to pass up. So, he allows the offer to go through, he simply puts Luongo back in nets and he owns the Leafs first pick for the next 3 or 4 years depending on the offer. Are you really willing to give up 3 or 4 first round picks for Schnieder?

I dont understand what your asking. Theyre saying Burke should offer sheet Schneider to force Gillis into moving Lou. Since Gillis has already said he is gonna match offer sheets on Schneider. So why would Gillis trade Lou to Tor after a Burke offer sheet on Schneider.
- poisondhearts37

because VAN would be over the cap

you mean the days where he got the sedin sisters? yeah cause that's working out great for you guys... right? they must've forgotten to write their names on the cup, thats odd
- Phil_kessel81

You're kidding, right? The Sedins won consecutive Art Ross Trophies, and the Lindsay and Hart trophies.

So they didn't win the cup—it takes a team to win the cup, and they failed as a team. Loads of great players never won cups.

Every team in the league would love the Sedins.

because VAN would be over the cap
- wingz4life

Dude. They currently have what, like 14million in cap space? It would be a franchise crippleing offer sheet to put Van over the cap.

Damien Cox does not know how offer sheets work. As it stands now, to deter from long-term offer sheets, any offer over 5 years will take the total amount of the contract (he proposes $40 million over eight years) and divides it by 5 (not the total length of the contract).

$40 million divided by 5 equals $8 million per year—which means the compensation would be four 1st-rd picks. That's a pretty hefty price...
- Fosco

It was retarded to even mention. Burke is not dropping an offer sheet on The Canucks.

I don't imagine the GMs like each other but the whole idea seems counterproductive.

I dont understand what your asking. Theyre saying Burke should offer sheet Schneider to force Gillis into moving Lou. Since Gillis has already said he is gonna match offer sheets on Schneider. So why would Gillis trade Lou to Tor after a Burke offer sheet on Schneider.
- poisondhearts37

A team always says they will match the offer sheet. The bigger problem would be if Vancouver decides not to match and takes the picks.

You're kidding, right? The Sedins won consecutive Art Ross Trophies, and the Lindsay and Hart trophies.

So they didn't win the cup—it takes a team to win the cup, and they failed as a team. Loads of great players never won cups.

Every team in the league would love the Sedins.
- Fosco

the sedins are soft players, nuff said. that whack job tim thomas beat them out

Cox sounds like he is being clever, but stunts like that can blow up in your face. What happens if Gillis decides the three or four first round picks are too tempting to pass up. So, he allows the offer to go through, he simply puts Luongo back in nets and he owns the Leafs first pick for the next 3 or 4 years depending on the offer. Are you really willing to give up 3 or 4 first round picks for Schnieder?
- spatso

Exactly. I think Gillis takes 4 firsts, keeps Luongo, and uses some of the picks to improve the team with trades.

An offer sheet with a hit of $5 million that was less than 5 years would certainly cause Gillis some problems.

I don't think Cox did his research about offer sheets over eight years in length, before he wrote that piece.