Dealing Mezaros and Voracek, for one guy? That better be one damn good guy, not sure if Ryan is that good.

yea I don't see the logic in shedding Mez now, that kinda defeats the purpose.
- JoeRussomanno

Yes one step forward two steps back. If the flyers deal coburn in any Ryan deal I'm done. I'm out

Yes one step forward two steps back. If the flyers deal coburn in any Ryan deal I'm done. I'm out
- Just5

I'd go low end roster player/prospects and some picks otherwise I don't see the point in blowing my house up when I just put a new kitchen in.

Edit: Ryan will be a Fa in three years, do we really need to trade multiple players who will still be in their primes at that time?

Yes one step forward two steps back. If the flyers deal coburn in any Ryan deal I'm done. I'm out
- Just5

Could be a possibility but I rather they hold onto Coburn.

Could be a possibility but I rather they hold onto Coburn.
- stveshdy

I just think we evened out the defense and have a damn good top 6. Why destroy that to bring in a guy that's coming here in a couple years maybe sooner anyway? Of course I'm just doing like everyone else and believing the hype.

I'd rather do one more year of Jagr and if by the deadline he's skating with walker, then make a move. Right now this roster is looking good. Worst comes to worse, move Jake to the first line. I seriously doubt V-cek, Hartsy and Giroux will struggle that much to score.

I just think we evened out the defense and have a damn good top 6. Why destroy that to bring in a guy that's coming here in a couple years maybe sooner anyway? Of course I'm just doing like everyone else and believing the hype.

I'd rather do one more year of Jagr and if by the deadline he's skating with walker, then make a move. Right now this roster is looking good. Worst comes to worse, move Jake to the first line. I seriously doubt V-cek, Hartsy and Giroux will struggle that much to score.
- JoeRussomanno

Homer is in "love" with Bobby Ryan since he came into the NHL. I don't know what they have planned but I'm going to sit back and relax until something happens and then I'll make my decision.

A lot of people on this board wouldnt of traded JvR for Schenn. So does Homer not know hockey? Homer is going to do everything possible to make his club better.

Dealing Mezaros and Voracek, for one guy? That better be one damn good guy, not sure if Ryan is that good.
- JoeRussomanno

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Mesz+Vorcacek is not enough to land Ryan anyways.

Homer is in "love" with Bobby Ryan since he came into the NHL. I don't know what they have planned but I'm going to sit back and relax until something happens and then I'll make my decision.

A lot of people on this board wouldnt of traded JvR for Schenn. So does Homer not know hockey? Homer is going to do everything possible to make his club better.
- stveshdy

I think we get Ryan. No reason other than what you said, Homer and the Flyers love him.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Mesz+Vorcacek is not enough to land Ryan anyways.
- steelydan

I agree. People think that may be too much but Anaheim would probably tell you thats too little.

Ryan is a very good player. 30+ scorer and good in his own end.

Homer is in "love" with Bobby Ryan since he came into the NHL. I don't know what they have planned but I'm going to sit back and relax until something happens and then I'll make my decision.

A lot of people on this board wouldnt of traded JvR for Schenn. So does Homer not know hockey? Homer is going to do everything possible to make his club better.
- stveshdy

I like your idea of Parenteau over Jagr. As much as I respect Jagr's ability and work ethic, I'm just not so sure him changing his work out routine during the season is going to be enough to keep him effective in the playoffs after an 82 game grind. For a team who views itself as a Cup contender, I think it is a gamble Homer might not be willing to take this year.

That being said, I think it is likely they'll land Ryan over signing Parenteau considering how they do business.

I like your idea of Parenteau over Jagr. As much as I respect Jagr's ability and work ethic, I'm just not so sure him changing his work out routine during the season is going to be enough to keep him effective in the playoffs after an 82 game grind. For a team who views itself as a Cup contender, I think it is a gamble Homer might not be willing to take this year.

That being said, I think it is likely they'll land Ryan over signing Parenteau considering how they do business.
- ravishingone

I agree. I would like to get Parenteau but with Ryan available its almost impossible for Homer to stay away.

Homer is in "love" with Bobby Ryan since he came into the NHL. I don't know what they have planned but I'm going to sit back and relax until something happens and then I'll make my decision.

A lot of people on this board wouldnt of traded JvR for Schenn. So does Homer not know hockey? Homer is going to do everything possible to make his club better.
- stveshdy

Homer took a risk, on strengthening a team weakness with this last trade that really is that much of a risk when you factor that this team was able to be a top five scoring team without JVR for half a season. I fully believe JVR is a quality player that will be a 20-30 goal a year guy. However this team needed to get depth on the Blueline. Offense was explendable.

Being that offense was expendable, I don't see how trading what is not exactly a commodity, (defense) for another winger. Free agency is upon us, go after Parise, I gotta think playing with Giroux is an enticing enough prospect that maybe, just maybe he takes a little less money than going elsewhere, hey Jagr was goo-goo ga ga about playing with G, and he's a first ballot hall of Famer.

Bobby Ryan wants to play here, let's face it, poop If was able to play at an NHL level I'd take a paycut to play in the O&B! Despite what (frank)tards like Mikey Miss say, the Flyers have been a real close second to the Eagles in terms of Fan support! The Phillies jumped up into that bracket recently due to a Pennant win that is almost forgotten already in this town. Playing for the Flyers after growing up around here, my god that's almost priceless!

So trading assets for Ryan now, imo stupid. Upgrade or grab a FA sure but hey, this team has tons of youth and plenty of Time to give Bobby Ryan a lucrative Contract to play for his favorite team.

I agree. I would like to get Parenteau but with Ryan available its almost impossible for Homer to stay away.
- stveshdy

I'm just wondering how much of Murray's negotiating power is reduced by Ryan's actions. Are other teams as eager as the Flyers to make a deal for Ryan considering he went public bashing the organization? Does the league view him as another Dany Heatley possibly? A great scoring talent, but can be a real pain in the butt.

It's going to be interesting to see how the Ryan saga plays out. I think he is definitely done in Anaheim. Murray is a pretty old-school guy. I find it hard to believe he would want back a malcontent on his team.

Yes one step forward two steps back. If the flyers deal coburn in any Ryan deal I'm done. I'm out
- Just5

JvR, Coburn/Meszaros, Voracek (plus?) for Schenn and Ryan doesn't excite me in the least.

Although moving for Schenn does make it apparent Homer is posturing himself to acquire Ryan.

Since the Visnovski trade, the Duck are D starved and we suddenly have some quality to move plus a hole at the big forward position.

I can't see this not happening, but I've been wrong once or twice today already.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Mesz+Vorcacek is not enough to land Ryan anyways.
- steelydan

Even if it is I don't want to give it up. People have to look further than actual trade value, they have to consider the team's needs. We have a solid chance barring injury of having an actual NHL top 6 defense corps this year! Now you wannna throw that away for a guy that's coming here in a few years anyway!? If anything I'd rather take a chance on letting Carle walk and snatching Parise, that's only if the Flyers think offense is going to be an issue this year, I can't see how it will be but whatevs.

Homer took a risk, on strengthening a team weakness with this last trade that really is that much of a risk when you factor that this team was able to be a top five scoring team without JVR for half a season. I fully believe JVR is a quality player that will be a 20-30 goal a year guy. However this team needed to get depth on the Blueline. Offense was explendable.

Being that offense was expendable, I don't see how trading what is not exactly a commodity, (defense) for another winger. Free agency is upon us, go after Parise, I gotta think playing with Giroux is an enticing enough prospect that maybe, just maybe he takes a little less money than going elsewhere, hey Jagr was goo-goo ga ga about playing with G, and he's a first ballot hall of Famer.

Bobby Ryan wants to play here, let's face it, poop If was able to play at an NHL level I'd take a paycut to play in the O&B! Despite what (frank)tards like Mikey Miss say, the Flyers have been a real close second to the Eagles in terms of Fan support! The Phillies jumped up into that bracket recently due to a Pennant win that is almost forgotten already in this town. Playing for the Flyers after growing up around here, my god that's almost priceless!

So trading assets for Ryan now, imo stupid. Upgrade or grab a FA sure but hey, this team has tons of youth and plenty of Time to give Bobby Ryan a lucrative Contract to play for his favorite team.
- JoeRussomanno

Homer wants Ryan and Ryan wants to come to Philly. I have no idea what Homer has planned but I trust the guy. He will add the pieces he feels are necessary for this team to take the next step.

Aside from Homer, Clarkie Emeritus was personal friends with the Ryan family, so that counts for something. I trust they won't do anything crazy though.

No one is comparing him to Giroux

I mean comparible wingers in the league. I wasn't saying he gets similar to JVR's contract. No way. But I was thinking more like. (if he gets multi year). 4 years $14 million $3.5 cap hit. Or in that range maybe. It's all about how the team feels about the player as well. (like how they felt about dumping 9 years on bryzgalov)
- puckhead17

But Giroux's contract makes my point. Short-term deal at market value (at the time) which leads to longer-term, bigger money at a point where the player has leverage to get it (be that great performance, impending free agency, etc.). 4 years/$14 million sounds about right to me IF this was his last year before UFA or he was coming off a 25-30 goal season. I just don't see what motivation either side has to do that deal right now though.

I definitely see what you're saying though; just trying to look at it from the team's perspective since they hold the cards right now.

I'm just wondering how much of Murray's negotiating power is reduced by Ryan's actions. Are other teams as eager as the Flyers to make a deal for Ryan considering he went public bashing the organization? Does the league view him as another Dany Heatley possibly? A great scoring talent, but can be a real pain in the butt.

It's going to be interesting to see how the Ryan saga plays out. I think he is definitely done in Anaheim. Murray is a pretty old-school guy. I find it hard to believe he would want back a malcontent on his team.
- ravishingone

I just believe Ryan had enough. Hes tired of hearing about being traded and the organization lost trust with the player. At this point he really doesnt care anymore about playing there. Thats not good for business in Anaheim and they may be forced to move him now.

Homer wants Ryan and Ryan wants to come to Philly. I have no idea what Homer has planned but I trust the guy. He will add the pieces he feels are necessary for this team to take the next step.
- stveshdy

Well homer needs to get his priorities straight, cause right now this team is fine going forward, provided they can either , re-sign Carle econimically or upgrade there, then fill the opening upfront. Have to remember there's no guarantee what shape Timmonen will be in with all these damn injuries he's had. Defense was an area of Concern, he took a step in fixing it. Going and trading Mezaros plus for a guy that A. You don't need and B. Play here anyway is EA sports General Management.

Aside from Homer, Clarkie Emeritus was personal friends with the Ryan family, so that counts for something. I trust they won't do anything crazy though.
- 2731color

It's because of that personal relationship that will always make one wonder whether the Flyers were able to deal objectively here.

Is it in the team's best interest or the managements?

Well homer needs to get his priorities straight, cause right now this team is fine going forward, provided they can either , re-sign Carle econimically or upgrade there, then fill the opening upfront. Have to remember there's no guarantee what shape Timmonen will be in with all these damn injuries he's had. Defense was an area of Concern, he took a step in fixing it. Going and trading Mezaros plus for a guy that A. You don't need and B. Play here anyway is EA sports General Management.
- JoeRussomanno

So you think Homer doesnt know what hes doing? Who says Parise wants to come here? Ryan does. Not that I am saying to make the trade.

So you think Homer doesnt know what hes doing?
- stveshdy

IF goes crazy/trade assets for Ryan now, then Yes I'd say he's lost his marbles. What do you suggest he do going forward?

IF goes crazy/trade assets for Ryan now, then Yes I'd say he's lost his marbles. What do you suggest he do going forward?
- JoeRussomanno

If he trades for Ryan he will have to sign a UFA defenseman who can play on 3rd pairing or go with MAB.

I thought he was going to go with this current group and add a forward from UFA. However, Homer loves Ryan so that changes things.

Here's my take on the Ryan interest from the Flyers:

He's a consistent 30+ goal scorer who would be great on Giroux's wing for many wings to come. The deal would probably look something like Meszaros, Voracek and a 1st. And while it may seem counter-intuitive to trade a defenseman when we just traded for one, the Flyers can easily fill that gap by re-signing Carle.

Even with all those transactions you're probably looking at 6mil left in cap space (without Pronger going to the LTIR during the season). So this gives room to pick up another dman or a veteran forward.

Note: Coburn has a modified NTC so I would doubt he's going anywhere.