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Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 24 @ 1:06 PM ET
PA
- Don'tForgetTocchet

me too

breaking the team up for Bobby Ryan is crazy, get the best FA winger possible is the way to go.

Parise would be sick but its a pipe dream
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 24 @ 1:07 PM ET
I like Gaustad but I think someone will give him 4. Philly is already a pain in the butt to play, add Gaustad, good lord
- aosplayo



4?? yeesh
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 24 @ 1:07 PM ET
What if no one wanted to go to the kings last year for those same reasons?
- puckhead17





You lost me, sorry. You mean if we did this deal last year this time?
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 24 @ 1:07 PM ET
me too

breaking the team up for Bobby Ryan is crazy, get the best FA winger possible is the way to go.

Parise would be sick but its a pipe dream

- Marc D



i would pee myself if we got parise
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 24 @ 1:08 PM ET
I like Gaustad but I think someone will give him 4. Philly is already a pain in the butt to play, add Gaustad, good lord
- aosplayo


Flyers wont pay Gaustad that kind of money to be a 4th line center.

Giroux, Briere and Couturier all ahead of him.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 24 @ 1:08 PM ET
4?? yeesh
- Don'tForgetTocchet




I have nothing to base it off of other than teams that need to reach the cap floor will be looking to spend
Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Jun 24 @ 1:08 PM ET
I'd very much like to see a Gaustad, Moen or Burish.
- flyer_nutter

I also like Gaustad. You can't get everyone though. Shane Doan, Shea Weber and Paul Gaustad are the guys I have interest in.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 24 @ 1:08 PM ET
i would pee myself if we got parise
- Don'tForgetTocchet

and kill myself if he ends up in Pittsburgh
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 24 @ 1:10 PM ET
I also like Gaustad. You can't get everyone though. Shane Doan, Shea Weber and Paul Gaustad are the guys I have interest in.
- Schenn2shine


Doan wants to many years. Weber isnt available. Gaustad wont get paid big money here to be 4th line center.

I like all those players also but I dont see it happening.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 24 @ 1:10 PM ET
Say Parise is not coming which is very likely.
I see him in staying NJ or gd forbid Pittsburgh or maybe home town Minny.

Then if it comes down to Jagr for a year or someone like PA Parenteau who do you prefer?

- Marc D


I will admit I do not know too much about Parenteau but I have seen him play a few times.

In terms of Jagr I would not re-sign him as it stands. If he would take a discount of around a 1 million per season, I would slap his ass and shake his hand.

For 3 million Jaromir is too injury prone, and that money could be spent elsewhere. He was exposed in the playoffs, and the Flyers need more of a defensive physical presence up front anyway.

His leadership and relationship he has seemed to forge in the fires of mount doom with the young kids is valuable, but not for 3 millon.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 24 @ 1:10 PM ET
and kill myself if he ends up in Pittsburgh
- Marc D






But theyd become like Tampa capwise. Except 10 years younger and better
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 24 @ 1:10 PM ET
Flyers wont pay Gaustad that kind of money to be a 4th line center.

Giroux, Briere and Couturier all ahead of him.

- stveshdy


And B. Schenn.

I think one of Briere or B. Schenn is a wing this year. I hope it's Briere.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 24 @ 1:12 PM ET
And B. Schenn.

I think one of Briere or B. Schenn is a wing this year. I hope it's Briere.

- BringBack25


Agreed.
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 24 @ 1:13 PM ET
welp, time for some yardwork before the temp gets to triple digits. i'm out for a while. later...
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 24 @ 1:15 PM ET
You lost me, sorry. You mean if we did this deal last year this time?
- aosplayo



No

Everyone thinks a 500 team with loads of cash has no shot at a parise or Suter

Like the Wild for example.
Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Jun 24 @ 1:16 PM ET
Doan wants to many years. Weber isnt available. Gaustad wont get paid big money here to be 4th line center.

I like all those players also but I dont see it happening.

- stveshdy

I actually would give Doan the years, even though Bill stated he wouldn't. Doan can provide the same guidance Jagr did between now and when he turns 40. I don't see why it's as big an issue to sign Jagr at 40 and worry about Doan turning 40 in 4 years. Unless we're worried about another Pronger situation because of his physical play. If that's the case, I get it, he'll be a above 35 contract.

I look at Weber and I wouldn't say he isn't available. Everyone is at the right price and nobody said that he wasn't available.

Gaustad would a pricy fourth liner but I'm not convinced that he would be in fact a fourth liner here. We want Couturier to get a boost within the line and he probably will but this is far from a guarantee. By mid season, I would understand if Couturier was back on the 4th line if he's running out of gas and given a boost again by season's end.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 24 @ 1:17 PM ET
I think landing Ryan increases landing Parise and the 2 would no doubt be related, cause I don't think the Flyers are on Parises radar right now. I think it would take something like that for Zach to deal with the blowback of signing with a rival. Just a thought.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 24 @ 1:17 PM ET
and kill myself if he ends up in Pittsburgh
- Marc D


The pens don't need more offense

They lost in the first round because they didn't play any defense

Parise wouldn't help that issue
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 24 @ 1:17 PM ET
No

Everyone thinks a 500 team with loads of cash has no shot at a parise or Suter

Like the Wild for example.

- puckhead17




Oh I hear ya, sorry. Yea, not to mention thats home for him.
Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Jun 24 @ 1:18 PM ET
And B. Schenn.

I think one of Briere or B. Schenn is a wing this year. I hope it's Briere.

- BringBack25

I hope it's Schenn now. Looking at such centers who alternate between the middle and the wing benefit from switching. Sakic and Forsberg. Dastyuk and Zetterberg. Crosby and Malkin.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 24 @ 1:18 PM ET
And B. Schenn.

I think one of Briere or B. Schenn is a wing this year. I hope it's Briere.

- BringBack25


I'd love for this to happen but it worries me.

First and foremost because every other time Briere was tried on the wing he was a hell of a lot less effective. I think he stated one time as well that he prefers the game in the middle.

They need guys on his wing that provide that defensive stability. Thats why I think another physical defensive forward needs to be a priority. Guys like Simmonds, Schenn and Harts at times are bad defensively.

I'd like to see a line-up of something like:

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Briere-Talbot
Gaustad-Cooties-Simmonds
Sestito-Wellwood-Read
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 24 @ 1:19 PM ET
I actually would give Doan the years, even though Bill stated he wouldn't. Doan can provide the same guidance Jagr did between now and when he turns 40. I don't see why it's as big an issue to sign Jagr at 40 and worry about Doan turning 40 in 4 years. Unless we're worried about another Pronger situation because of his physical play. If that's the case, I get it, he'll be a above 35 contract.

I look at Weber and I wouldn't say he isn't available. Everyone is at the right price and nobody said that he wasn't available.

Gaustad would a pricy fourth liner but I'm not convinced that he would be in fact a fourth liner here. We want Couturier to get a boost within the line and he probably will but this is far from a guarantee. By mid season, I would understand if Couturier was back on the 4th line if he's running out of gas and given a boost again by season's end.

- Schenn2shine


I would be okay with Doan at 2 years.

If Weber was available Homer wouldnt of traded JvR when he could use him in that deal, imo.

Couturier is going to take on a much bigger role this season with the Flyers. Gaustad would be a nice addition just dont think hes worth that money to play mostly 4th line minutes.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 24 @ 1:20 PM ET
I'd love for this to happen but it worries me.

First and foremost because every other time Briere was tried on the wing he was a hell of a lot less effective. I think he stated one time as well that he prefers the game in the middle.

They need guys on his wing that provide that defensive stability. Thats why I think another physical defensive forward needs to be a priority. Guys like Simmonds, Schenn and Harts at times are bad defensively.

I'd like to see a line-up of something like:

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Briere-Talbot
Gaustad-Cooties-Simmonds
Sestito-Wellwood-Read

- flyer_nutter

i can get on board with this thinking.. but everytime you type Cooties a small piece of me dies painfully
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 24 @ 1:20 PM ET
I actually would give Doan the years, even though Bill stated he wouldn't. Doan can provide the same guidance Jagr did between now and when he turns 40. I don't see why it's as big an issue to sign Jagr at 40 and worry about Doan turning 40 in 4 years. Unless we're worried about another Pronger situation because of his physical play. If that's the case, I get it, he'll be a above 35 contract.

I look at Weber and I wouldn't say he isn't available. Everyone is at the right price and nobody said that he wasn't available.

Gaustad would a pricy fourth liner but I'm not convinced that he would be in fact a fourth liner here. We want Couturier to get a boost within the line and he probably will but this is far from a guarantee. By mid season, I would understand if Couturier was back on the 4th line if he's running out of gas and given a boost again by season's end.

- Schenn2shine

no on doan because most of his gm is about physicality, whereas jagr has some elite skill level left over.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 24 @ 1:21 PM ET
The pens don't need more offense

They lost in the first round because they didn't play any defense

Parise wouldn't help that issue

- puckhead17

And they got rid of the wrong defenseman in the cap dump.

I'm sure they wanted to get rid of Martin but they ended up dumping Michalek.
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