i enjoyed jagr thoroughly but at this point his money needs to go for another winger


i forgot about parenteau... any rumors at all about what's going on with him?
- Don'tForgetTocchet

He will test UFA last I read.

Choose

Jason Garrison
Bryan Allen
Paul Gaustad
P.A. Parenteau
Alexei Ponikarovsk
Evgeni Nabokov
- BaldRich

I take Carle, maybe Allen, but Garrison will be overpaid I think.

I am a Dom Moore fan to help with the bottom 6

If they dont go Jagr, which I hope not, then go Doan if hes willing.

If not then Id check out Parenteau but hell want a longer deal.

I like Doan for 2 years if hes willing.

Nabby will wanna be paid and Im done with 2 Russians in the net

A couple things I haven't heard (at least not much) post-JVR/Schenn trade:

1. It is June 24th meaning there is lots of off-season left. It's always fun to discuss the individual merits of trades, but the off-season is a big picture that isn't painted until October.

2. I've heard lots of people give a thumbs down to this deal based on not being able to use JVR as a piece in a bigger trade. What I don't hear from these people is how they would feel about having to package JVR/B. Schenn/1st round pick (for example) for a first line winger and then still having to get a top 6 D equal to or greater than L. Schenn from somewhere. Let's not inflate JVR's value based on trades that he was rumored to be in...I personally think the Flyers got about equal value for him.

i enjoyed jagr thoroughly but at this point his money needs to go for another winger


i forgot about parenteau... any rumors at all about what's going on with him?
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Jagr was a good teammate, and he played hard, nothing against him, but he's well past his prime, and is an injury risk. Money can be spent more wisely imo.

Is that counting ltir guys?
- nails

No just what's available during the summer.

wowza


“@sbaickerCSN: Interestingly, I'm told Holmgren had told JVR earlier this week not to worry about a trade. So much for that.”
- nhindian

Coming from Homer that is the kiss of death. If a player hears that start packing your bags.

I really appreciate your assessment of this deal Bill. And the subtle question mark that you brought out is one that I have had too...did JvR get a second medical opinion? Is questioning the Flyers medical staff as a player something that is not allowed? The delayed surgery because of the infection...and how did he get that severe of an infection and be cleared to play hockey? .... the delay of the surgery makes perfect sense, if the infection was the reason for the delay. If it turns out that it was really a second set of films show that the injury was not as severe...then just say that.

Anyway.....JvR barring some kind of implosion should be a solid 20-30 goal a season player in this league for years to come. IMHO, he is never going to be the Kevin Stevens in his prime that he was hyped to by when taken 2nd...and that is the reason that so many people have been down on him. IF he was taken 22nd, he would not be seen in the same light. That is a shame, because it isn't his fault that the Flyers chose him 2nd.

Schenn has some tidying up to do with his game. His skating is not as good as Coburns but better than Grossmann. He doesn't have the years of experience yet so he still will get caught from time to time. He plays a clean physical game. With Matt Carle resigned...if they resign him...the Flyers have 6 real NHL blue liners.

As for looking for a top flight forward or another big name defenseman....I never bought that the Flyers were in on Nash and as for Ryan...who knows... They don't NEED a forward and they did a defenseman. Deal done.
- wbon22

bill seemed to think they need a forward now and I agree w/ that assessment. I also agree that they no longer have the assets to trade for one unless they are willing to part w/ a dman. relying on jagr for another yr is iffy, so we might have to look at the FAs.

No just what's available during the summer.
- stveshdy

In that case you could have a handshake deal with Jagr that youll sign him when they put Pronger down


Doan
Jagr
Carle


maybe Dom Moore

Biron

Never happen I know

I like parenteau. Would be a nice signing. Flyers have 11m plus the 10% this summer. Flyers have plenty of money to make some moves.
- stveshdy

Well If Carle will be around 5, Jagr around 3, and a backup goalie 1+, leaves very little room for anything else.

Well If Carle will be around 5, Jagr around 3, and a backup goalie 1+, leaves very little room for anything else.
- PLindbergh31

Don't forget adding Voracek and subtracting Pronger.

I hate trying to figure out cap space.

Well If Carle will be around 5, Jagr around 3, and a backup goalie 1+, leaves very little room for anything else.
- PLindbergh31

True. I would rather sign p.a. then Jagr

Now that the shock of losing JvR is over, I do like the connections Luck Schenn has as he joins the team. The obvious is his brother Brayden but Luke also played with Claude Giroux and Wayne Simminds in the World Junior's in 2007-08.

I'm disappointed in the trade because in my mind JvR was Giroux's ideal winger moving forward for the next 6 seasons. I think what really hurt JvR aside from injuries and aside from now playing tough enough was the fact he was taking off Giroux's wing in October and was unable to get back on due to the success that our top line was having this year.

Don't get me wrong, I know what Luke Schenn brings to the table and I like him but not straight up for JvR. Feel we could have gotta a mid level draft pick or a prospect of some sort but that's me.

I pointed out last night that I don't feel Luke Schenn is nasty enough. Great, the kid had the most hits in the NHL last year but to me hits don't automatically make you a nasty player. To me after watching Pronger play, when he could play, he's the best example. It's about ripping a player's face off if he toughs your goaltender or takes a cheap shot on one of your teammates. It's about getting mad or all in all playing mad. If Luke can do this nightly, how could I dislike him? I think standing up for his brother can only help what I'm looking for in Luke, if they really are this close as reported. I'll say this though, when the Flyers have Saturday night off, I'm normally watching Hockey Night in Canada. I've seen a lot of unnecessary and unforced giveaways by Luke and I can see him becoming a scape goal quick.

It's a good thing this cap hit is very reasonable.

The more I think about this second round pick, the less it makes any semblance of sense.

Trading a goaltender in Bobrovsky, whose course should have been a developmental one, and using the pick on a project goaltender who is at the very least 5-6 years away is puzzling to say the least. I don't get it.
- PLindbergh31

just on the surface, the flyers appear to have consulted their Alpha Centauri scout a lot this time out...

Don't forget adding Voracek and subtracting Pronger.

I hate trying to figure out cap space.
- snake17

That's right, I forgot about Voracek.

Well If Carle will be around 5, Jagr around 3, and a backup goalie 1+, leaves very little room for anything else.
- PLindbergh31

Jason Garrison,
2011-12 $700,000.. I dont think he will get a 5 mil $ raise.... Cheaper then Carle

i'll admit that pick pissed me right off.


- Don'tForgetTocchet

Bob approached homer after the season and told him he was disappointed in playing time. I think this move was to help bob as much as it helped the flyers with picks and hopefully on the cap too.

Jason Garrison,
2011-12 $700,000.. I dont think he will get a 5 mil $ raise.... Cheaper then Carle
- BaldRich

Nothing against Garrison but I don't want any part of a one-year wonder in their contract season Dman. Jeff Finger anyone?

I'm not the biggest fan of Carle but at least I know what I'm getting with him.

True. I would rather sign p.a. then Jagr
- stveshdy

Agreed. 28 years old, and has only missed 3 games the last two seasons. He's averaged 60 points the last two seasons as well. If he was put on a line with Giroux that could spike to the 70-75 point range.

That's right, I forgot about Voracek.
- PLindbergh31

Jake will get a nice raise

Now that the shock of losing JvR is over, I do like the connections Luck Schenn has as he joins the team. The obvious is his brother Brayden but Luke also played with Claude Giroux and Wayne Simminds in the World Junior's in 2007-08.

I'm disappointed in the trade because in my mind JvR was Giroux's ideal winger moving forward for the next 6 season. I think what really hurt JvR aside from injuries and aside from now playing tough enough was the fact he was taking off Giroux's wing in October and was unable to get back on due to the success that our top line was having this year.

Don't get me wrong, I know what Luke Schenn brings to the table and I like him but not straight up for JvR. Feel we could have gotta a mid level draft pick or a prospect of some sort but that's me.

I pointed out last night that I don't feel Luke Schenn is nasty enough. Great, the kid had the most hits in the NHL last year but to me hits don't automatically make you a nasty player. To me after watching Pronger play, when he could play, he's the best example. It's about ripping a player's face off if he toughs your goaltenders or takes a cheap shot on one of your teammates. It's about getting mad or all in all playing mad. If Luke can do this nightly, how could I dislike him? I think standing up for his brother can only help what I'm looking for in Luke, if they really are this close as reported. I'll say this though, when the Flyers have Saturday night off, I'm normally watching Hockey Night in Canada. I've seen a lot of unnecessary and unforced giveaways by Luke and I can see him becoming a scape goal quick.

It's a good thing this cap hit is very reasonable.
- Schenn2shine

I see the same thing and I also have heard the TOR media mention in trade rumors the last 2 yrs for these reasons. TOR got better value, no question. only time will tell if it actually turns out that way.

Trade Schenn for Bobby Ryan.  Trade vanRiemsdyk for Luke Schenn.  Then go after Suter, Garrison, Wideman or Schultz (in that order).

I remember I wrote that a couple of days ago and there were people saying that JVR for Schenn would never happen and the Flyers have no use for a guy like Schenn. Well it did happen and I love the trade. Luke Schenn is what the Flyers needed. It's not all they need but it was definately a big need. Make the other trades happen now Holmgren...

I'm not ultra concerned he will turn into a # 1, the odds of that happening in Columbus are pretty much zero. I just think the Flyers rushed Bobrovsky into NHL duty. He should have been developing, not playing in Philadelphia imo.

The only credible UFA guys to backup Bryzgalov, are Biron, and Clemmensen, if the Flyers don't land one of those guys, and Bryzgalov gets injured they are pretty much screwed.
- PLindbergh31

We'll I'd say Homer needs to sign one of those two guys, then a vet type on a two way contract to come in and back up.

Now that the shock of losing JvR is over, I do like the connections Luck Schenn has as he joins the team. The obvious is his brother Brayden but Luke also played with Claude Giroux and Wayne Simminds in the World Junior's in 2007-08.

I'm disappointed in the trade because in my mind JvR was Giroux's ideal winger moving forward for the next 6 season. I think what really hurt JvR aside from injuries and aside from now playing tough enough was the fact he was taking off Giroux's wing in October and was unable to get back on due to the success that our top line was having this year.

Don't get me wrong, I know what Luke Schenn brings to the table and I like him but not straight up for JvR. Feel we could have gotta a mid level draft pick or a prospect of some sort but that's me.

I pointed out last night that I don't feel Luke Schenn is nasty enough. Great, the kid had the most hits in the NHL last year but to me hits don't automatically make you a nasty player. To me after watching Pronger play, when he could play, he's the best example. It's about ripping a player's face off if he toughs your goaltenders or takes a cheap shot on one of your teammates. It's about getting mad or all in all playing mad. If Luke can do this nightly, how could I dislike him? I think standing up for his brother can only help what I'm looking for in Luke, if they really are this close as reported. I'll say this though, when the Flyers have Saturday night off, I'm normally watching Hockey Night in Canada. I've seen a lot of unnecessary and unforced giveaways by Luke and I can see him becoming a scape goal quick.

It's a good thing this cap hit is very reasonable.
- Schenn2shine

I think the fact that try are brothers really motivated the flyers to make the deal. Homer even mentioned that he hoped it would positively influence Brayden. I think believe they could have gotten more for JVR, but this is a deal that will take some time to fully gauge if it was worth it or not.

Trade Schenn for Bobby Ryan.  Trade vanRiemsdyk for Luke Schenn.  Then go after Suter, Garrison, Wideman or Schultz (in that order).

I remember I wrote that a couple of days ago and there were people saying that JVR for Schenn would never happen and the Flyers have no use for a guy like Schenn. Well it did happen and I love the trade. Luke Schenn is what the Flyers needed. It's not all they need but it was definately a big need. Make the other trades happen now Holmgren...
- TonyBazz

The ducks want more for Ryan than just one young player

Trade Schenn for Bobby Ryan.  Trade vanRiemsdyk for Luke Schenn.  Then go after Suter, Garrison, Wideman or Schultz (in that order).

I remember I wrote that a couple of days ago and there were people saying that JVR for Schenn would never happen and the Flyers have no use for a guy like Schenn. Well it did happen and I love the trade. Luke Schenn is what the Flyers needed. It's not all they need but it was definately a big need. Make the other trades happen now Holmgren...
- TonyBazz

I'd say trading Schenn now is highly unlikely