Voracek is a star in the making.

He really matured this year, and I have no doubt Jagr's influence played a big part in that happening.

c'mon man, he signed a 1 year deal with hopes of getting a raise this year. he played well and i think he took a lil less then he thought was fair. i want a raise, you want a raise, why can't he?
- flyerscup2011

What? He got exactly the contract he deserved without the years. Again, he didn't have a career season. If anything, we have a player like Wayne Simmonds at a discount price. He's just finished his 4 season in the NHL and already looking for his 3rd raise. This is okay by everyone? How will everyone feel if he only signs for another 1 year contract?

so apparently worthless paul martin played in the playoffs with concussion symptoms #pengwineexcuses
- flyerscup2011

How stupid do you have to be to play with Sidney Crosby, watch that whole drama, and still play when you have a head injury? I realize head injuries interfere with your judgement, but come on!

c'mon man, he signed a 1 year deal with hopes of getting a raise this year. he played well and i think he took a lil less then he thought was fair. i want a raise, you want a raise, why can't he?
- flyerscup2011

Yeah. A young guy willing to sign 1-year deals with the expectation that he'll show improvement and get more the next is what you want, isn't it? Someone who believes in himself and expects more of himself so is willing to give up the security for the idea he can get bumps?

What? He got exactly the contract he deserved without the years. Again, he didn't have a career season. If anything, we have a player like Wayne Simmonds at a discount price. He's just finished his 4 season in the NHL and already looking for his 3rd raise. This is okay by everyone? How will everyone feel if he only signs for another 1 year contract?
- Schenn2shine

a player is worth what he can get a team to sign him for. he has every right to ask for more money. that's why players hire agents. it's his agent's job to get him max $. it makes no difference if wayne simmonds is signed for more or less than him. he is a rfa, it's not like he's gonna get $5mm per year. at the end of the day he's going to have to sign with the flyers, get traded or sign an offer sheet. sports are a business and everyone wants to make money. i don't care what kind of contract he signs as long as he plays hard and isn't a distraction.

Yeah. A young guy willing to sign 1-year deals with the expectation that he'll show improvement and get more the next is what you want, isn't it? Someone who believes in himself and expects more of himself so is willing to give up the security for the idea he can get bumps?
- bodiva88

i think we agree

How stupid do you have to be to play with Sidney Crosby, watch that whole drama, and still play when you have a head injury? I realize head injuries interfere with your judgement, but come on!
- bodiva88

at the end of the day, if he didn't speak up and he got hurt worse, he has no one to blame but himself. pens want to dump his ridiculous contract anyway. i love it when that team has problems. i'm so sick of that team getting so much praise when they tanked for 5-6 years and were handed cindy crosby, then boo the commish at the draft. and on top of that they played more thuggishly than the 1975 flyers. makes me sick. plus shanadumbass letting their players off super easy when they deserved much longer suspensions. yet the rest of the league wants to call the flyers cheap and dirty

a player is worth what he can get a team to sign him for. he has every right to ask for more money. that's why players hire agents. it's his agent's job to get him max $. it makes no difference if wayne simmonds is signed for more or less than him. he is a rfa, it's not like he's gonna get $5mm per year. at the end of the day he's going to have to sign with the flyers, get traded or sign an offer sheet. sports are a business and everyone wants to make money. i don't care what kind of contract he signs as long as he plays hard and isn't a distraction.
- flyerscup2011

Actually Restricted free agents can be offered qualifying offer and if rejected, they can go if the team decided to allow it. JvR was offered more money because he's shown his hand on the ice by dominating in the playoffs in 2011. Voracek hasn't exactly done this.

Actually Restricted free agents can be offered qualifying offers and if rejected, they can go if the team decided to allow it. JvR was offered more money because he's shown his hand on the ice by dominating in the playoffs in 2011. Voracek hasn't exactly done this.
- Schenn2shine

based on my understanding, they can go to arbitration and if the team rejects the settlement then the player becomes ufa. i could be wrong. i think if he rejects the flyers' qualifying offer he stays restricted until an offer is reached or he signs an offer sheet. i don't think/ am sure is not the case that he can't just reject the flyers' offer and be a ufa

Actually Restricted free agents can be offered qualifying offers and if rejected, they can go if the team decided to allow it. JvR was offered more money because he's shown his hand on the ice by dominating in the playoffs in 2011. Voracek hasn't exactly done this.
- Schenn2shine

I really liked V because he improved as the year went on and was one of the quieter difference makers in the playoffs. I am all for Ryan. Not for Nash. Hell, trade Mezzy, cousins and a 1rst and keep V. Then sign a dman in FA and your team is built to win. Also implying Carle gets re-signed.

Maybe someone can capgeek this

hart-g-ryan
schenn-danny-v
simmer-cooties-read
rinaldo-talbot-wellwood

coburn-gross
kimmo-schenn
garrison-carle

bryz
biron

based on my understanding, they can go to arbitration and if the team rejects the settlement then the player becomes ufa. i could be wrong. i think if he rejects the flyers' qualifying offer he stays restricted until an offer is reached or he signs an offer sheet. i don't think/ am sure is not the case that he can't just reject the flyers' offer and be a ufa
- flyerscup2011

The Flyers can walk away from Voracek whenever they want and that would make him a UFA. The Flyers can trade his rights anywhere they choose but whomever picks him up will gain his rights as a RFA still. The Flyers can also take Voracek to arbitration and still decide whether or not they choose to accept the contract handed out. If they don't, he'll become a UFA.

Maybe someone can capgeek this

hart-g-ryan
schenn-danny-v
simmer-cooties-read
rinaldo-talbot-wellwood

coburn-gross
kimmo-schenn
garrison-carle

bryz
biron
- Deasr1

depends on garrison. i'm not sure he's interested in philly for 1. on the free market he could possibly get 5mm. i don't think he'd be content with a third pairing role.

depends on garrison. i'm not sure he's interested in philly for 1. on the free market he could possibly get 5mm. i don't think he'd be content with a third pairing role.
- flyerscup2011

well, guss would be fine there. I really think another move is coming.

I really liked V because he improved as the year went on and was one of the quieter difference makers in the playoffs. I am all for Ryan. Not for Nash. Hell, trade Mezzy, cousins and a 1rst and keep V. Then sign a dman in FA and your team is built to win. Also implying Carle gets re-signed.
- Deasr1

I don't have an issue with Voracek's on ice play but more so the fact he isn't willing to accept years to his contract (At least not yet). In my mind JvR could have been Giroux's long term line mate but now this could very well be Voracek. What rubs me the wrong way is, I don't think Voracek is worth more then what he's made so far this season. We have other players to sign, so to play things off like it doesn't matter what he signs for is a little silly. It does matter what he signs for.

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Briere-Simmonds

This isn't a bad top 6 but we're taking steps back if we can't sign or trade for other forwards. The Flyers have always been 3 lines deep of offensive threats.

well, guss would be fine there. I really think another move is coming.
- Deasr1

i think another move is coming too. with homer you really never know what that may be. many say andy reid keeps things tight to the vest, but he has nothing on homer in that regard

Maybe someone can capgeek this

hart-g-ryan
schenn-danny-v
simmer-cooties-read
rinaldo-talbot-wellwood

coburn-gross
kimmo-schenn
garrison-carle

bryz
biron
- Deasr1

so what is the trade to anaheim...mez and ???

Excellent read!!

Leafs fan here... Gotta say some good hockey talk in here. It's gonna be weird seeing Schenn in Philly, but I think you guys will enjoy having him on your team. Blue collar player, great character and does not hide from the media. I believe he has top 4 potential, I'm sad to see him go, but, the Leafs need the type of package that JVR offers. Hopefully he can get past the injuries and have a great career in TO.

Here's hopin the deal works for both teams, in regards to the Bobby Ryan trade, have any of you thought that maybe both Schenns could go to Anaheim as a package for Ryan?

Excellent read!!

Leafs fan here... Gotta say some good hockey talk in here. It's gonna be weird seeing Schenn in Philly, but I think you guys will enjoy having him on your team. Blue collar player, great character and does not hide from the media. I believe he has top 4 potential, I'm sad to see him go, but, the Leafs need the type of package that JVR offers. Hopefully he can get past the injuries and have a great career in TO.

Here's hopin the deal works for both teams, in regards to the Bobby Ryan trade, have any of you thought that maybe both Schenns could go to Anaheim as a package for Ryan?
- PTVinnyMac

The City of Brotherly love doesn't want this to happen.

The City of Brotherly love doesn't want this to happen.
- Schenn2shine

Nor would I if I was a Philly fan. Having both Schenns in Philly is a good story for your team IMO. Lord knows Philly's pretty stacked at the F position, so I wouldn't say they need Ryan, but, if he's available and wants to play there maybe you have to do whatever u can to get him?

When's the lasst time there was a brother pairing playing in Philly btw?

Excellent read!!

Leafs fan here... Gotta say some good hockey talk in here. It's gonna be weird seeing Schenn in Philly, but I think you guys will enjoy having him on your team. Blue collar player, great character and does not hide from the media. I believe he has top 4 potential, I'm sad to see him go, but, the Leafs need the type of package that JVR offers. Hopefully he can get past the injuries and have a great career in TO.

Here's hopin the deal works for both teams, in regards to the Bobby Ryan trade, have any of you thought that maybe both Schenns could go to Anaheim as a package for Ryan?
- PTVinnyMac

Highly doubt that would happen. I hope it wouldn't. I think the deal has a good chance of working out too. On our end theres been rumors Pronger could be in a teaching/coaching role for next season, I think that would be great for Schenn. What's your consensus on L. Schenn? I thought he was horrible when the Flyers played him last year. Turning pucks over in his own end, looked slow, etc. I realize hes young but just seems like he struggles with the little nuances of the game at this point.

Nor would I if I was a Philly fan. Having both Schenns in Philly is a good story for your team IMO. Lord knows Philly's pretty stacked at the F position, so I wouldn't say they need Ryan, but, if he's available and wants to play there maybe you have to do whatever u can to get him?

When's the lasst time there was a brother pairing playing in Philly btw?
- PTVinnyMac

losing Jagr and JvR, we're going to have to make up the difference somewhere. Nick Cousins may or may not be ready for the NHL but I would prepare for him to be a Phantom no matter what. I think we're going to have to trade or sign a forward no matter what. Our defense is alright at the moment but you've gotta give to get. I think we'll probably be moving Salary to make up the difference somehow.

Highly doubt that would happen. I hope it wouldn't. I think the deal has a good chance of working out too. On our end theres been rumors Pronger could be in a teaching/coaching role for next season, I think that would be great for Schenn. What's your consensus on L. Schenn? I thought he was horrible when the Flyers played him last year. Turning pucks over in his own end, looked slow, etc. I realize hes young but just seems like he struggles with the little nuances of the game at this point.
- Just5

Hadn't heard this until now....

Highly doubt that would happen. I hope it wouldn't. I think the deal has a good chance of working out too. On our end theres been rumors Pronger could be in a teaching/coaching role for next season, I think that would be great for Schenn. What's your consensus on L. Schenn? I thought he was horrible when the Flyers played him last year. Turning pucks over in his own end, looked slow, etc. I realize hes young but just seems like he struggles with the little nuances of the game at this point.
- Just5

I believe Brayden burned him once on a goal.

Highly doubt that would happen. I hope it wouldn't. I think the deal has a good chance of working out too. On our end theres been rumors Pronger could be in a teaching/coaching role for next season, I think that would be great for Schenn. What's your consensus on L. Schenn? I thought he was horrible when the Flyers played him last year. Turning pucks over in his own end, looked slow, etc. I realize hes young but just seems like he struggles with the little nuances of the game at this point.
- Just5

A lot of pressure in TO. Sadly I began to believe his best years would be on another team. I think speed and decision making (which can both be improved) are what caused him to suffer the most really. Wilson's system didn't really help him out much either. He was solid in his 1st and 3rd years... He had a rough time last year, which I attribute to growth for a young D. Also, he did not really have a stay at home veteran to mentor him, which I think could have helped him along. I would say, if he works on his skating and proper guidance #2 to #4 D with #2 being his absolute ceiling...

Again, I think you're def gonna love the kids character!