I like the trade better today than I did yesterday, and I liked it yesterday. Good players, both with upside, JVRs slightly higher, but Schenn can be a force.

I think it's a good fit for Schenn at this point in his career. Like in Toronto, he is coming in here not being the focal point on D. With Carle back, and god willing they stay healthy, all 6 Dmen look poised to potentially have perfect scenarios for success, i.e. the right amount of ice time for each of them to be most effective, not trying to over compensate. Again that depends on injuries, which we know happen, but barring anything major, MAB and Lilja should fill in fine for the typical bumps and bruises an 82 game season plus playoffs brings.

I think next summer is Weberfest and with Kimmos money coming off the boards theyll be players. Keep the young guys and hope this team gells together defensively.
- aosplayo

I like the trade as well. Looks like it will work for both sides.

This has to mean that Jagr is coming back to solidify the wing. I like the looks of our D now and I think that Schenn can be solid here. One poster said that he bulked up last summer and therefore lost some mobility. Hopefully, the Flyers can sort that out and Timonen can mentor him a bit on positioning etc. Let's face it.. hi mentors in TO would have been lacking.

If carle stays, then the defensive side of the roster has been strengthened and is now more or less set. I'm good with that.
If Carle walks, and if he wants more than $5 million he should, then I'm not sure what the next move should be.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: JVR Trade, Draft Wrapup
- bmeltzer

I really appreciate your assessment of this deal Bill. And the subtle question mark that you brought out is one that I have had too...did JvR get a second medical opinion? Is questioning the Flyers medical staff as a player something that is not allowed? The delayed surgery because of the infection...and how did he get that severe of an infection and be cleared to play hockey? .... the delay of the surgery makes perfect sense, if the infection was the reason for the delay. If it turns out that it was really a second set of films show that the injury was not as severe...then just say that.

Anyway.....JvR barring some kind of implosion should be a solid 20-30 goal a season player in this league for years to come. IMHO, he is never going to be the Kevin Stevens in his prime that he was hyped to by when taken 2nd...and that is the reason that so many people have been down on him. IF he was taken 22nd, he would not be seen in the same light. That is a shame, because it isn't his fault that the Flyers chose him 2nd.

Schenn has some tidying up to do with his game. His skating is not as good as Coburns but better than Grossmann. He doesn't have the years of experience yet so he still will get caught from time to time. He plays a clean physical game. With Matt Carle resigned...if they resign him...the Flyers have 6 real NHL blue liners.

As for looking for a top flight forward or another big name defenseman....I never bought that the Flyers were in on Nash and as for Ryan...who knows... They don't NEED a forward and they did a defenseman. Deal done.

Toronto was 10th in the NHL last year in goals scored, and next to last in goals against. Why are they trading a defenseman, for a guy who's only asset right now is being a goal scorer?

Bill Meltzer ‏@billmeltzer

Per capgeek, after yesterday's trade, Flyers currently have $11,481,627 of summer cap space come July 1.
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Toronto was 10th in the NHL last year in goals scored, and next to last in goals against. Why are they trading a defenseman, for a guy who's only asset right now is being a goal scorer?
- PLindbergh31

I was wondring that too, but they are saying that they drafted a defeneman first round and that is an area of strength. With Gustavson gone, I see them getting a tender and a Dman i they have cap space.

Toronto was 10th in the NHL last year in goals scored, and next to last in goals against. Why are they trading a defenseman, for a guy who's only asset right now is being a goal scorer?
- PLindbergh31

JVR has size, and even if inconsistent, will drive the net whole lot more than any other leaf

appearently D is an area of strength for the leafs

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Per capgeek, after yesterday's trade, Flyers currently have $11,481,627 of summer cap space come July 1.
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- aosplayo

Re-sign Carle.. Sign Jagr and add a backup..

Homer, I'm awaiting your call and I could guarntee that I would be a good team guy to backup Bryz. I'll work for the meagre 550K.. Resume sent.!

I was wondring that too, but they are saying that they drafted a defeneman first round and that is an area of strength. With Gustavson gone, I see them getting a tender and a Dman i they have cap space.
- Hextall271

Perhaps, Toronto is more in need of a playmaking center, they have Lupul, and Kessel as big goal scorers on the wing. The only way I see this trade making sense for them is if they believe Schenn is a fringe player. They were making him a healthy scratch last year from time to time. Obviously due to injuries, JVR's stock fell. He was traded when his value was at an all-time low, and the Flyers settled for a marginal return.

I'm going to have to reserve judgment on this one. The flyers traded one of their better wingers. On the other hand JVR was injured much of the year so it is kind of a wash. I just am not sure I like their long term plan on wing for this year.
It looks like Briere may be moved to the wing.
If Jagr doesn't resign here the flyers will definitely need to acquire another winger.
I would have preferred to see how the season plays out with JVR and then trade him if the flyers need to upgrade their D.
As far as L Schenn I have seen the good and bad the little I have seen him play. With some veteran D men on the team L Schenn can get some tutelage from them and become a top pairing or worst case a top 3 guy.

JVR has size, and even if inconsistent, will drive the net whole lot more than any other leaf

appearently D is an area of strength for the leafs
- Blindfatkid

JVR very rarely uses his size to his advantage. He's a young player still growing into his body, I believe if he can stay healthy he can develop into a consistent 30 goal scorer, but by no means is that a certainty. I think this trade will light a fire under his ass and he will want to prove the Flyers wrong.

I'm going to have to reserve judgment on this one. The flyers traded one of their better wingers. On the other hand JVR was injured much of the year so it is kind of a wash. I just am not sure I like their long term plan on wing for this year.
It looks like Briere may be moved to the wing.
If Jagr doesn't resign here the flyers will definitely need to acquire another winger.
I would have preferred to see how the season plays out with JVR and then trade him if the flyers need to upgrade their D.
As far as L Schenn I have seen the good and bad the little I have seen him play. With some veteran D men on the team L Schenn can get some tutelage from them and become a top pairing or worst case a top 3 guy.
- bird_dog

In no way, shape, or form should Jagr be signed. But with the way the draft went, and now this trade, I'm expecting it to be a foregone conclusion.

In no way, shape, or form should Jagr be signed. But with the way the draft went, and now this trade, I'm expecting it to be a foregone conclusion.
- PLindbergh31

IF and it is a big one...the Flyers make this deal as a sign to the Jagr camp that they want/need him to be the top line winger/top PP man...but I don't see it.

Resign Jagr if there is nothing better available at RW. He is a known quantity and popular with his team. If he plays himself out of a job, that will be on him.

Perhaps, Toronto is more in need of a playmaking center, they have Lupul, and Kessel as big goal scorers on the wing. The only way I see this trade making sense for them is if they believe Schenn is a fringe player. They were making him a healthy scratch last year from time to time. Obviously due to injuries, JVR's stock fell. He was traded when his value was at an all-time low, and the Flyers settled for a marginal return.
- PLindbergh31

Burke claimed they may try JVR at center, for whatever that's worth

IF and it is a big one...the Flyers make this deal as a sign to the Jagr camp that they want/need him to be the top line winger/top PP man...but I don't see it.

Resign Jagr if there is nothing better available at RW. He is a known quantity and popular with his team. If he plays himself out of a job, that will be on him.
- wbon22

41 years old, injury prone, no thanks.

No Jagr:

Doan
Carle
Biron

Maybe Dom Moore......but the top 3 and call it a day

Burke claimed they may try JVR at center, for whatever that's worth
- eayost

I would think they would want to get the guy comfortable, changing positions seems like a bad idea to me. I don't see JVR being an effective center at the NHL level.

wowza


“@sbaickerCSN: Interestingly, I'm told Holmgren had told JVR earlier this week not to worry about a trade. So much for that.”

Perhaps, Toronto is more in need of a playmaking center, they have Lupul, and Kessel as big goal scorers on the wing. The only way I see this trade making sense for them is if they believe Schenn is a fringe player. They were making him a healthy scratch last year from time to time. Obviously due to injuries, JVR's stock fell. He was traded when his value was at an all-time low, and the Flyers settled for a marginal return.
- PLindbergh31

Ya know, the only part that surprised me was that there wasn't a pick coming our way.. maybe 3rd with Schenn. Maybe I am overvaluing JVR though.

Hopeully Schenn will not be subjeced to the type of pressure he was in TO and can develop. He's only 22 and he's already been in te league for 4 years... Dmen take a while to develop.

Ya know, the only part that surprised me was that there wasn't a pick coming our way.. maybe 3rd with Schenn. Maybe I am overvaluing JVR though.

Hopeully Schenn will not be subjeced to the type of pressure he was in TO and can develop. He's only 22 and he's already been in te league for 4 years... Dmen take a while to develop.
- Hextall271

Agreed. I'm not writing Schenn off, he can become a very solid player. I'm not sure his ceiling is a top pairing d-man though, while JVR potentially can be a first line power forward.

wowza


“@sbaickerCSN: Interestingly, I'm told Holmgren had told JVR earlier this week not to worry about a trade. So much for that.”
- nhindian

hearsay, barely credible imo

The more I think about this second round pick, the less it makes any semblance of sense.

Trading a goaltender in Bobrovsky, whose course should have been a developmental one, and using the pick on a project goaltender who is at the very least 5-6 years away is puzzling to say the least. I don't get it.

Agreed. I'm not writing Schenn off, he can become a very solid player. I'm not sure his ceiling is a top pairing d-man though, while JVR potentially can be a first line power forward.
- PLindbergh31

I am wondering, where do you see Schenn developing into worst case scenario? 3/4 defenseman. At absolute best I could probbably see him as a number 2.

Part of what I see is that, yes JVR may have higher end potential, but it is def harder to acquire a 22 yr old first rounder D with 4 years experience than a 30 goal scorer which could prob be replaced on the FA market at a comparable price.

I desperately wanted Weber here but the price made me cringe. It would have been JVR Cooter/Schenn and a 1st or something mad like that. It would gut a team that is only starting to gel after last year and all the youth we added to O would be gone. This is potential for potential, but a potential shutdown D is moe valuable than a potential 30 goal power winger IMO. That's prob why it was 1 for 1. If we add Carle a winger through FA and a solid backup tender..I will be pleased with this summer's tweaking.

In no way, shape, or form should Jagr be signed. But with the way the draft went, and now this trade, I'm expecting it to be a foregone conclusion.
- PLindbergh31

I feel the same way.

I wouldn't mind Penner if he could park in front of the net and pot 20. Feel like he's the type that needs a change of scenery to get back to old form and he'll probably get paid less than $4 million.


Hartsy - Giroux - Voracek
Penner - Schenn - Briere
Read - Couturier - Simmonds
Sestito - Talbot - Wellwood
Rinaldo

I am wondering, where do you see Schenn developing into worst case scenario? 3/4 defenseman. At absolute best I could probbably see him as a number 2.

Part of what I see is that, yes JVR may have higher end potential, but it is def harder to acquire a 22 yr old first rounder D with 4 years experience than a 30 goal scorer which could prob be replaced on the FA market at a comparable price.

I desperately wanted Weber here but the price made me cringe. It would have been JVR Cooter/Schenn and a 1st or something mad like that. It would gut a team that is only starting to gel after last year and all the youth we added to O would be gone. This is potential for potential, but a potential shutdown D is moe valuable than a potential 30 goal power winger IMO. That's prob why it was 1 for 1. If we add Carle a winger through FA and a solid backup tender..I will be pleased with this summer's tweaking.
- Hextall271

What I have seen from Schenn thus far, I haven't liked. He turns the puck over a fair amount, for a player who isn't a puck mover. He doesn't seem to make the calm, smart play often enough. He does bring some offense to the table, he's righthanded, and he's physical so there are some things to like. Hopefully he can develop into a solid # 2 guy. If he does, the Flyers will have benefited from this trade.