Why should the Flyers give up Voracek+ for this guy? Their offense isn't an issue, and they finally have a legitimate top 6 d-corps?
- JoeRussomanno

Cause Ryan is better than Voracek. Maybe the Flyers feel they can add another defenseman for their 3rd pairing or use Gus/Lilja/MAB for that spot. They would be adding another dynamic two way player.

Voracek, Meszy, 1st for Ryan and rights to Schultz

Why should the Flyers give up Voracek+ for this guy? Their offense isn't an issue, and they finally have a legitimate top 6 d-corps?
- JoeRussomanno

Joe: 1
Steve: 0

Cause Ryan is better than Voracek. Maybe the Flyers feel they can add another defenseman for their 3rd pairing or use Gus/Lilja/MAB for that spot. They would be adding another dynamic two way player.
- stveshdy

Then they are right back to where they started Now we gotta go out and get another d-man, and this market is looking more and more like D are gonna be overpaid. Furthermore if Anaheim needs D, why should they move Ryan when they have plenty of cap-space and can get one through UFA without losing Ryan? SO what he says he's unhappy, too bad, guess what it is called Pro-sports, you get traded from time to time and the media generates rumors involving your name. Especially when you are a good player and you have ties to another team. His feelings are hurth oh well boo hoo, shut up, play and get your 5 million dollars.

These scenarios being presented make no sense whatsoever. If Anaheim needs to move him that bad, then a one for one swap otherwise you're overpaying and lately it looks like the Flyers overpaid in one deal doing multiple deals like that is flat out foolish.

Joe: 1
Steve: 0
- Giroux_Is_God

That's not necessary and i don't want to create animosity, I usually agree with steve right now we just don't, no big deal.

That's not necessary and i don't want to create animosity, I usually agree with steve right now we just don't, no big deal.
- JoeRussomanno

People have different opinions. I'm not against the Flyers doing one way or another. I'm not sitting here saying lets go get Ryan. Anyone who has seen me post today knows that I said I would go after Parenteau. I'm just trying to defend Homer on why he would be trading assests to get Ryan.

Joe: 1
Steve: 0
- Giroux_Is_God

Your scorecard reminds me of the Bradley/Pman fight, fixed.

Feel free to post an opinon.

Your scorecard reminds me of the Bradley/Pman fight, fixed.
- stveshdy

Voracek, Meszy, 1st for Ryan and rights to Schultz
- pharcyde

I would do that. Problem is Schultz probably walks.

People have different opinions. I'm not against the Flyers doing one way or another. I'm not sitting here saying lets go get Ryan. Anyone who has seen me post today knows that I said I would go after Parenteau. I'm just trying to defend Homer on why he would be trading assests to get Ryan.
- stveshdy

Parenteau makes a lot more sense right now. Half the money and gives you room to do other things. I'm not against Bobby Ryan coming here, I'm just against getting fleeced possibly in two deals in one offseason.

Your scorecard reminds me of the Bradley/Pman fight, fixed.

Feel free to post an opinon.
- stveshdy

My opinion is that this comment was hilarious

No big deal fellas. Not tryin to start anything. It was actually a different way of saying "good point Joe I agree here" because- well I'm unorthodox like that and didn't want to be boring and say it that way

Don't mind me

My opinion is that this comment was hilarious

No big deal fellas. Not tryin to start anything. It was actually a different way of saying "good point Joe I agree here" because- well I'm unorthodox like that and didn't want to be boring and say it that way

Don't mind me
- Giroux_Is_God

I'm open to discussing hockey and listening to others opinions.

Voracek, Meszy, 1st for Ryan and rights to Schultz
- pharcyde

I'm thinking if Schultz is that good then when they moved Visnovsky they probably intend on signing schultz.

I'm thinking if Schultz is that good then when they moved Visnovsky they probably intend on signing schultz.
- JoeRussomanno

Ducks were/are trying to sign Schultz but he doesn't want any part of staying there.

Ducks were/are trying to sign Schultz but he doesn't want any part of staying there.
- stveshdy

I guess we'll have to see then. A lot of this stuff is smoke and mirrors.

I guess we'll have to see then. A lot of this stuff is smoke and mirrors.
- JoeRussomanno

I guess going by a previous post you dont like the JvR for Schenn trade?

I'm thinking if Schultz is that good then when they moved Visnovsky they probably intend on signing schultz.
- JoeRussomanno

Visnovsky will be making $5.6 million and be 36 years old, plus the last year of his deal. I can see why Murray would want to move him and give more ice time to Fowler and Sbisa who are just as good or probably better offensive d-men.

So what # do you think Schenn will wear since 2 is retired?

I guess going by a previous post you dont like the JvR for Schenn trade?
- stveshdy

I'm iffy about it. I think Homer took a risk, but a calculated one. Gotta think that means Schenn was the only d-man he could get for JVR, not the first choice but it could have been worse. If anything he might have went to wawa and paid a dollar fifty more for a gallon of milk than he would if he made a left and got a gallon at the grocery store. Time will tell. I just don't wanna see anymore big roster shakeups unless it's a player we absolutely need.

I just don't understand giving up (allegedly) Czech and a defensemen and a pick for Bobby Ryan.

Or problem going in to the offseason was the D corps. Ask Snider. We had offense to give- hell, we played a whole season without JVR and still finished top 3 in GF I believe. Life without JVR has already been lived, and we excelled. It sucks to see JVR go, but we can and have played without him.

The return he brought us is a rock solid young Dman who still has time for form into the top flight player he is "expected" to be. Plus, as Bill addressed in today's blog, playing with his little bro could and should be a positive influence. A change of scenery was needed for Mr. Schenn, and I think he'll blossom here.

The point here is that Homer has addressed the need: the D. He brought in someone that will help now, for sure, and most likely for years to come.

It doesn't make sense to me to address the defense hole, and then turn right around a deal a different defenseman for a forward, which we don't need.

Now in free agency...that's different. We don't have to trade for Parise

That's not necessary and i don't want to create animosity, I usually agree with steve right now we just don't, no big deal.
- JoeRussomanno

I see the flyers need in replacing JVRs offense since they were counting on him to be a big contributor to the offense moving forward, but I think I they can replace that via free agency. To me it comes down to whether or not they re-sign Jagr or replace his scoring with with another free agent.

They may be able to get Ryan for less than originally thought if he is making it difficult for the ducks. I wouldn't mind trading Mezsaros with his back as question mark, but they'd still need to make a free agent signing on defense. I don't want to go into the season with Carle grossman Coburn and Schenn as the top 4 with timonen potentially out for a while. Gettin Schenn for JVR seems like a precursor move though, IMO. I don't think that move sured up anything, just traded the uncertainty of a winger for uncertainty of a defenseman. I like the potential, but if I'm the flyers it doesn't make me feel that much more confident. This is why I see them going the free agent route to supplement the lost offense in JVR. Schenn definitely deepens the defensive depth, but of you trade a defenseman that depth is gone.

Unorganized rant over.

I see the flyers need in replacing JVRs offense since they were counting on him to be a big contributor to the offense moving forward, but I think I they can replace that via free agency. To me it comes down to whether or not they re-sign Jagr or replace his scoring with with another free agent.

They may be able to get Ryan for less than originally thought if he is making it difficult for the ducks. I wouldn't mind trading Mezsaros with his back as question mark, but they'd still need to make a free agent signing on defense. I don't want to go into the season with Carle grossman Coburn and Schenn as the top 4 with timonen potentially out for a while. Gettin Schenn for JVR seems like a precursor move though, IMO. I don't think that move sured up anything, just traded the uncertainty of a winger for uncertainty of a defenseman. I like the potential, but if I'm the flyers it doesn't make me feel that much more confident. This is why I see them going the free agent route to supplement the lost offense in JVR. Schenn definitely deepens the defensive depth, but of you trade a defenseman that depth is gone.

Unorganized rant over.
- funmaster18

I agree with most of what you are saying. I just don't think they felt they lost much with JVR. We just went through a season without him doing much. If they aren't gonna bring back Jagr then, if they aren't comfortable with what they have, go FA, I don't want to shed anymore assets at this point and keep overpaying for Free agents more than is necessary. Ryan will be a FA the same year Briere's contract comes off the books. If he wants to play for the Flyers that bad, then wait otherwise to me, giving up roster players right now isn't wise.

So what # do you think Schenn will wear since 2 is retired?
- pharcyde

22

So what # do you think Schenn will wear since 2 is retired?
- pharcyde

69 or 43

I agree with most of what you are saying. I just don't think they felt they lost much with JVR. We just went through a season without him doing much. If they aren't gonna bring back Jagr then, if they aren't comfortable with what they have, go FA, I don't want to shed anymore assets at this point and keep overpaying for Free agents more than is necessary. Ryan will be a FA the same year Briere's contract comes off the books. If he wants to play for the Flyers that bad, then wait otherwise to me, giving up roster players right now isn't wise.
- JoeRussomanno

It's not a sure thing he'll sign here in 3 years.. He could win a cup with his new team and get very comfortable. I would assume the flyers feel there best chances to win the cup would be in the next 3 years while Timmonen is still productive and Briere and Hartnell are still locked up. I would also assume they want a winger with a scoring touch to play with Grioux, and while Voracek is a damn good player with a lot of potential he is more of a setup man. I would say Gus and or Bourdon could replace Meszy to a respectable extent. While singing Parise would be ideal I would have to say it is most definitely a pipe dream. So i say if you can get Ryan for Voracek and Mezy and a first if need be you do it.. maybe try and get the rights to shultz and pitch a scenario which entices him to sign.