Let me guess schenn is now being dubbed a bum and JVR is a 30+ goal scorer now?? 50$ says Burkie gets the boot by march when the leafs fail to make the playoffs - much like no balls tambo and Lowe...those 2 idiots should have offered the 2013 1st ++ for Yandle.... Schultz even if he come to the oil ain't gonna be the sole savior! But a healthy Whitney would go along way... It will be nice with 2 elite scoring lines though... Thank god we got yaks... We will be top 5 in goals for this year book it!

This offer won`t be good enough to get Nash and Methot...
No one wants Hemsky, Omark has zero trade value, I really like MPS -he`s young and has loads of potential, and Horcoff has zero trade value...
So you give up 2 guys with zero trade value, Hemsky, MPS and a 1st...nope...
There was rumous that Howson turned down Pavelski, Clowe, Demers and a 1st...that offer is significantly better than what you offered.
To get Nash, one of the big 4 would have to go...and thats is Nash would waive his NTC for the Oil...

Question though...how do you expect to trade for a top4 d-man without giving up a top6 forward...
- BoBBeR56

I agree about that Nash trade. More and more though I'm reading Howson is going to be stuck accepting much less for Nash than he wants to. Nash on the Oilers makes no sense at all to me. Of course you draft the BPA but you trade for positional need, and we have about as much need for an elite sniper as a Bedouin has for a sandbox.
The answer to your question, BTW, is that we're totally willing to give up a top 6 forward... his name is Hemsky and his trade value is currently much lower than we want to accept, particularly at the generous contract we signed him to. We can't move Gagner because we have no other credible 2C option, and we would be absolute morons (I just pictured Tambi's face and shuddered) to deal any of our wunderkids for anything less than a young Norris candidate (which, surprisingly, are generally not on the market).

Ummm...Gardiner has only played one year...
Can you see into the future where you know he will only be a one year wonder...cause if you do give me next week`s lottery numbers

And as another Oil fan said...Franson would be a great fit for the Oil, puck moving d-man that shoots right...
Liles wouldn`t be bad either, but he is older...
- BoBBeR56

Liles is not a top 2 dman so he is (frank)ing useless... Franson if available should be had for picks if our "players" are not worth a Franson..

Let me guess schenn is now being dubbed a bum and JVR is a 30+ goal scorer now?? 50$ says Burkie gets the boot by march when the leafs fail to make the playoffs - much like no balls tambo and Lowe...those 2 idiots should have offered the 2013 1st ++ for Yandle.... Schultz even if he come to the oil ain't gonna be the sole savior! But a healthy Whitney would go along way... It will be nice with 2 elite scoring lines though... Thank god we got yaks... We will be top 5 in goals for this year book it!
- saskoil21

Not at all. I think it was a good hockey trade where both players have a new chance to start over.

Yes, there are biased Leaf fans who now say that Schenn sucks, but there are also others who dont like the trade at all (Iam not one of them).

The funny thing is Schenn is now being referred to as a "tough physical defenseman" from other teams fans, as opposed to "pylon" when he was a leaf.

Not at all. I think it was a good hockey trade where both players have a new chance to start over.

Yes, there are biased Leaf fans who now say that Schenn sucks, but there are also others who dont like the trade at all (Iam not one of them).

The funny thing is Schenn is now being referred to as a "tough physical defenseman" from other teams fans, as opposed to "pylon" when he was a leaf.
- Leafs43

Funny how quickly our perspectives change...

Not at all. I think it was a good hockey trade where both players have a new chance to start over.

Yes, there are biased Leaf fans who now say that Schenn sucks, but there are also others who dont like the trade at all (Iam not one of them).

The funny thing is Schenn is now being referred to as a "tough physical defenseman" from other teams fans, as opposed to "pylon" when he was a leaf.
- Leafs43

That's funny but expected... I agree it was a needed move for Schenn as he was getting eaten alive in TO even there were many that defended him his performance and confidence was obviously deteriorating... JVR will help ur top 6 I just wonder if he can maintain his health... We need someone like that I want Stewart...

Funny how quickly our perspectives change...
- thefullnelson

Its true. Personally I still think Schenn can be a great defenseman. He just needs to get his confidence back, a new start could help with that.

That's funny but expected... I agree it was a needed move for Schenn as he was getting eaten alive in TO even there were many that defended him his performance and confidence was obviously deteriorating... JVR will help ur top 6 I just wonder if he can maintain his health... We need someone like that I want Stewart...
- saskoil21

No doubt Schenn was terrible the second half of last year. Still managed to put up 22 points though. I agree, its a confidence issue where he was indecisive and jittery with the puck.

As for JVR. Its basically been the same story since he was drafted in 07, the potential is there, long lasting results are not. If he puts up top 6 numbers I will be a happy with him.

Its true. Personally I still think Schenn can be a great defenseman. He just needs to get his confidence back, a new start could help with that.
- Leafs43

Yeah, when I first heard the trade I thought "Burke's a genius!" After ten minutes of washing my brain with bleach hoping to never think that again I thought about it some more and it really seems like an honest-to-God hockey trade and both teams stand a good chance of winning it. I'm impressed with what Burke got for Schenn, but of all the teams in the NHL Philly has the best chance of helping him reach his ceiling. If not for that I would call JVR an overpayment.

Yeah, when I first heard the trade I thought "Burke's a genius!" After ten minutes of washing my brain with bleach hoping to never think that again I thought about it some more and it really seems like an honest-to-God hockey trade and both teams stand a good chance of winning it. I'm impressed with what Burke got for Schenn, but of all the teams in the NHL Philly has the best chance of helping him reach his ceiling. If not for that I would call JVR an overpayment.
- thefullnelson

I thought it was a slight overpayment as well. Im sure the novelty of having the Schenn brothers on the same team was atleast a small factor.

That's funny but expected... I agree it was a needed move for Schenn as he was getting eaten alive in TO even there were many that defended him his performance and confidence was obviously deteriorating... JVR will help ur top 6 I just wonder if he can maintain his health... We need someone like that I want Stewart...
- saskoil21

I want Stewart too and EDM should not be afraid to trade to fill needs.

I want Stewart too and EDM should not be afraid to trade to fill needs.
- deks1

I see us possibly getting a good shot at jagr... If hemmer proves himself a couple months in that he is back and healthy that is when we have opportunity to look at trade... For right now our only options are Schultz, give Suter a tonne of cash, methmetals finally JBo which is a cap hit but only for 2 yrs...and we would not have to give much... Prospects and a pick or 2

Further once gillis pulls his head out of his ass and realizes that luongo is not worth that much.. I would entertain the idea of trading something for Lu as he would definitely help us rise 5-6 spots in the standings alone IMO...

I want Stewart too and EDM should not be afraid to trade to fill needs.
- deks1

Trades are tough for the Oil right now. Hemsky's value is much lower to everyone else than it is to us. Ditto Gagner as we have no other option at 2C (although hopefully Ladner's only a year or two away). The glass cannons stay right where they are thank you very much. We can't move a d-man because if he's good enough to bring in a return, we damn well need to keep him! Can't move Dubey, Bulin has negative value, Danis and Roy are still too young. PRV was so poorly developed last year that his trade value is much lower than it should be. Omark is worthless. We have a slew of good young D prospects, but we don't yet know which will pan out and which won't. In a year or two we can bundle a couple struggling, high-pedigree prospects but we aren't sure yet which ones are going to sort themselves out. Am I missing any options? Who is left to trade? Next year's #1, I guess, but with Lowe/Tambi in charge I just don't see us improving by enough to justify swapping what could easily be a top 10 pick.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sick to death of watching this team spend the second half of the season biting the pillow. I just don't see much of a match... If Tambi had balls we could dream about swapping a glass cannon for OEL, but, you know, balls.

I see us possibly getting a good shot at jagr... If hemmer proves himself a couple months in that he is back and healthy that is when we have opportunity to look at trade... For right now our only options are Schultz, give Suter a tonne of cash, methmetals finally JBo which is a cap hit but only for 2 yrs...and we would not have to give much... Prospects and a pick or 2
- saskoil21

I could also see us signing Jagr because he would be a wonderful mentor for our wunderkids. How set is he on contending for the Cup? Cause we can't offer him that. Only other problem I see is overall roster balance. We'd basically be forced to ride 3 lines of super scoring smurfs and a line of average sized checkers/grinders. Copper and blue pinballs... again...

Further once gillis pulls his head out of his ass and realizes that luongo is not worth that much.. I would entertain the idea of trading something for Lu as he would definitely help us rise 5-6 spots in the standings alone IMO...
- saskoil21

Only thing with trading for Lou is that you have to deal with his contract until he retires. Chances are he does not get traded again. Even now teams seem hesitant to trade for him. Imagine trying to get rid of him in 3 years when he is 36, and his play has most likely regressed.

Further once gillis pulls his head out of his ass and realizes that luongo is not worth that much.. I would entertain the idea of trading something for Lu as he would definitely help us rise 5-6 spots in the standings alone IMO...
- saskoil21

Lu would very possibly make us a playoff team, all by himself. Easy to forget this with all the trendy Luongo bashing, but he played his best hockey with bad D in front of him, getting ~40 shots nightly for ~75 games yearly. Not only that but Oil fan's raging case of Canucks schadenfruede would guarantee that Lu would recieve the fan support that has been lacking for, oh... 3 years now in Vancouver? We'd keep the Octane around just to follow Lu everywhere and say "Oh Lu, you're so pretty, and you're so fast, and you're such a great goaltender. Tee hee! Can we get you anything? Cold beer? Hummer? Gillis' head on a stick?"

Can a "ref" on this site ban this guy already? I'm a good sport about how refs completely ignore the amount of bs that occur in my blog comments section, but this is getting out of hand.
- Maxbone

Done

Only thing with trading for Lou is that you have to deal with his contract until he retires. Chances are he does not get traded again. Even now teams seem hesitant to trade for him. Imagine trying to get rid of him in 3 years when he is 36, and his play has most likely regressed.
- Leafs43

I don't think it's so much teams are hesitant, but a)there are only ever going to be a few teams in any given year who will pay fair market value for Luongo's talent combined with Luongo's contract, and b)GMs think MG needs to deal Luongo, so they are totally content to wait him out until he's forced to deal Lu for less.
My offers for the nuckers...
Bulin, the 2013 1st rounder, and the d-man prospect of their choice (excluding Klefbom) for Luongo and a top-4 d-man (a youngish, right-shooting puckmover)
Bulin and their choice of Tuebert, Omark or 2013's 4th rounder for Luongo

You'll notice I'm not offering fair value for Lu's talent. Between the Canuck's awful mishandling of him (rivalling PRV in Edmonton for sheer idiocy and meaning that Lu is somewhat of a reclamation project), knowing that they pretty much have to trade him for magic beans if that's all anyone will offer, and the fact that right now it's a buyer's market on keepers in general, the Nucks are about to lose a lot of talent for very little return. #teamschneider will get their wish, and I really, really hope Luongo ends up in Chicago. Now that would be justice.

I don't think it's so much teams are hesitant, but a)there are only ever going to be a few teams in any given year who will pay fair market value for Luongo's talent combined with Luongo's contract, and b)GMs think MG needs to deal Luongo, so they are totally content to wait him out until he's forced to deal Lu for less.
My offers for the nuckers...
Bulin, the 2013 1st rounder, and the d-man prospect of their choice (excluding Klefbom) for Luongo and a top-4 d-man (a youngish, right-shooting puckmover)
Bulin and their choice of Tuebert, Omark or 2013's 4th rounder for Luongo

You'll notice I'm not offering fair value for Lu's talent. Between the Canuck's awful mishandling of him (rivalling PRV in Edmonton for sheer idiocy and meaning that Lu is somewhat of a reclamation project), knowing that they pretty much have to trade him for magic beans if that's all anyone will offer, and the fact that right now it's a buyer's market on keepers in general, the Nucks are about to lose a lot of talent for very little return. #teamschneider will get their wish, and I really, really hope Luongo ends up in Chicago. Now that would be justice.
- thefullnelson

I think prv has a greats camp...

I don't think it's so much teams are hesitant, but a)there are only ever going to be a few teams in any given year who will pay fair market value for Luongo's talent combined with Luongo's contract, and b)GMs think MG needs to deal Luongo, so they are totally content to wait him out until he's forced to deal Lu for less.
My offers for the nuckers...
Bulin, the 2013 1st rounder, and the d-man prospect of their choice (excluding Klefbom) for Luongo and a top-4 d-man (a youngish, right-shooting puckmover)
Bulin and their choice of Tuebert, Omark or 2013's 4th rounder for Luongo

You'll notice I'm not offering fair value for Lu's talent. Between the Canuck's awful mishandling of him (rivalling PRV in Edmonton for sheer idiocy and meaning that Lu is somewhat of a reclamation project), knowing that they pretty much have to trade him for magic beans if that's all anyone will offer, and the fact that right now it's a buyer's market on keepers in general, the Nucks are about to lose a lot of talent for very little return. #teamschneider will get their wish, and I really, really hope Luongo ends up in Chicago. Now that would be justice.
- thefullnelson

I think prv has a greats camp...Andpushes for a spot this yr!

You're right, it shouldn't at all. It's just frustrating to see a joke like Cloutier (an absolute laughing stock) talking about things he knows nothing about.. It's the same as reading the paper and seeing reporter's comments on situations they can't fathom.

I know Cloutier reads every comment on every one of his blogs and I always feel the need to remind him he's a joke. A guy with no sources and no credibility. Just some brainless loser who can look up stats on google
- SameOld

Dood, you seriously need to check yourself. The real loser is in the mirror buddy. Calm the fuk down.

I think Pittsburgh has cleared the cap they wanted to clear. Not saying they wouldn't trade Martin, but I don't think they're actively looking to trade him anymore (imo, they chose him over Mihalek). On the other hand, I'd add Yandle to that list, because as great as the cost would be, it was actually reported on TSN so it is floating around there somewhere.
- Morris

I can't tell if shero couldn't move martin at the draft... or if he is holding onto him unti he can get a replacement d-man.. (suter, carle, etc). With the overabundance of d-man in pitt... shero already said another was going. so if yet another one come in... two have to be going out. (martin and lovejoy?) if you want dpth d-men... or to roll the dice on martin... they might be able to get him cheap...

I can't tell if shero couldn't move martin at the draft... or if he is holding onto him unti he can get a replacement d-man.. (suter, carle, etc). With the overabundance of d-man in pitt... shero already said another was going. so if yet another one come in... two have to be going out. (martin and lovejoy?) if you want dpth d-men... or to roll the dice on martin... they might be able to get him cheap...
- ChrisMS

Just don't see either really solidifying our blueline. We need a top pairing guy.

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- laughs2907

im (frank)ing dieing right now