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Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jun 23 @ 11:22 AM ET
http://www.csnphilly.com/...blockID=729296&feedID=704

god help us if they do
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 11:23 AM ET
Gagne, Zubrus, and Williams pre-dated Holmgren's time, so I excluded them. Carter was 11th.
- TheGreat28


Holmgren was with the Flyers when those players were drafted. He was Director of Pro Scouting, and then Assistant GM. So he undoubtedly had input into those selections.
Duran76
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Calmer than you are dude, PA
Joined: 07.25.2010

Jun 23 @ 11:23 AM ET
Is Lavy coaching the Panthers draft. They just used a timeout.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jun 23 @ 11:23 AM ET
Exactly. Did everyone forget about his big balls from last year already?
- hereticpride


I'm only looking at his drafting, not total work as a GM. And yes, I know that drafting is just one part of a master plan and is affected by what they do in other areas as well.

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 23 @ 11:24 AM ET
drafting is a whole other ball game. the track record in rnd one is stellar. after that, not too great...
- isaiah520


I don't believe Homer is depending on his draft class to help improve the team for next year. He will make other moves that he feels will better this team heading into next season. He is far from done with this club.
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 23 @ 11:24 AM ET
Gagne, Zubrus, and Williams pre-dated Holmgren's time, so I excluded them. Carter was 11th.
- TheGreat28


Sorry - typo on Carter. Point is the Flyers scouts (and org in general) has a good history with picking forwards later in the first round.

I'm still giving them the benefit of the doubt.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 11:25 AM ET
What does Pannacio mean that "Yandle would give the Flyers some real “jam” on the back end, which they desperately need."

I hope he doesn't mean physical play.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jun 23 @ 11:25 AM ET
Larsson came out of nowhere late in the season and was terrific in Sweden's junior under-20 playoffs for Brynas, and had scouts taking notice with his raw size and skating ability. At 6-3, 172 pounds, he's thin as a rail and lacks strength right now, but his development curve appears to be headed straight upward. He shows good poise and patience handling the puck, always skating with his head up looking to make plays, and usually makes very good decisions in puck movement. He's raw as hell, but has the kind of tools that project well down the road.

http://www.usatoday.com/s...top-defensemen/55579426/1

take it for what it's worth
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 11:25 AM ET
http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/flyers-talk/Source-Pens-working-to-acquire-Suters-ri?blockID=729296&feedID=704

god help us if they do

- Deasr1



Suter wants to stay in the west (like Hamhuis)
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 11:26 AM ET
@D_LEED Fredric Larsson is a big defensemen. 6'3 190.
- BringBack25



Swedish right? Drafted in the 4th round! Next Nik Lidstrom.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jun 23 @ 11:26 AM ET
http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/flyers-talk/Source-Pens-working-to-acquire-Suters-ri?blockID=729296&feedID=704

god help us if they do

- Deasr1


both the flyers and the pens acquired the rights for dan hamhuis

he's a canuck
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 23 @ 11:26 AM ET
The Winnipeg Jets have acquired the rights to Jonas Gustavsson from the Toronto Maple Leafs for a conditional seventh round pick in the 2013 NHL Entry Draft. Gustavsson is eligible to become an unrestricted free agent this summer. He never lived up to the hype in Toronto, but perhaps he can develop into a decent backup now that he's been granted a change of scenery.
Source: Mapleleafs.nhl.com on Twitter

I guess the Jets are not depending on their starting goalie to stick around?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 11:26 AM ET
so due to the Flyers drafting they will become the columbus Blue Jackets in 3-5 years, got it. Don't got it
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 23 @ 11:26 AM ET
Larsson came out of nowhere late in the season and was terrific in Sweden's junior under-20 playoffs for Brynas, and had scouts taking notice with his raw size and skating ability. At 6-3, 172 pounds, he's thin as a rail and lacks strength right now, but his development curve appears to be headed straight upward. He shows good poise and patience handling the puck, always skating with his head up looking to make plays, and usually makes very good decisions in puck movement. He's raw as hell, but has the kind of tools that project well down the road.

http://www.usatoday.com/s...top-defensemen/55579426/1

take it for what it's worth

- FlyerMike18


6'3" 172? Are we sure he's from Sweden, and not the EHL. Ethiopian Hockey League.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 11:27 AM ET
The Winnipeg Jets have acquired the rights to Jonas Gustavsson from the Toronto Maple Leafs for a conditional seventh round pick in the 2013 NHL Entry Draft. Gustavsson is eligible to become an unrestricted free agent this summer. He never lived up to the hype in Toronto, but perhaps he can develop into a decent backup now that he's been granted a change of scenery.
Source: Mapleleafs.nhl.com on Twitter

I guess the Jets are not depending on their starting goalie to stick around?

- stveshdy



Downgrade!
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jun 23 @ 11:27 AM ET
Holmgren was with the Flyers when those players were drafted. He was Director of Pro Scouting, and then Assistant GM. So he undoubtedly had input into those selections.
- MJL


OK, fair point, so let's give Holmgren credit for those guys as well.

But now, let's look at total body of draft for last 10-15 years, including rounds 2 and later.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...aft/teams/dr00007439.html

I think their record after the 1st round is pretty awful.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 23 @ 11:27 AM ET
What does Pannacio mean that "Yandle would give the Flyers some real “jam” on the back end, which they desperately need."

I hope he doesn't mean physical play.

- MJL


Yandle would provided a threat from the point and a defenseman who moves the puck well. He's not a physical player, so Pannacio is far off if he believes that.
Duran76
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Calmer than you are dude, PA
Joined: 07.25.2010

Jun 23 @ 11:27 AM ET
Swedish right? Drafted in the 4th round! Next Nik Lidstrom.
- MJL


Wouldn't that be something.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 23 @ 11:28 AM ET
I don't believe Homer is depending on his draft class to help improve the team for next year. He will make other moves that he feels will better this team heading into next season. He is far from done with this club.
- stveshdy


Personally, I believe by July 4th, we'll pretty much have all of the answers to the plan for next season. I still think Homer is patiently deciding what Poile is going to do with Weber.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 23 @ 11:28 AM ET
Larsson came out of nowhere late in the season and was terrific in Sweden's junior under-20 playoffs for Brynas, and had scouts taking notice with his raw size and skating ability. At 6-3, 172 pounds, he's thin as a rail and lacks strength right now, but his development curve appears to be headed straight upward. He shows good poise and patience handling the puck, always skating with his head up looking to make plays, and usually makes very good decisions in puck movement. He's raw as hell, but has the kind of tools that project well down the road.

http://www.usatoday.com/s...top-defensemen/55579426/1

take it for what it's worth

- FlyerMike18

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 11:28 AM ET
I think their record after the 1st round is pretty awful.
- TheGreat28


Want an accurate picture. Compare it with other teams.
Duran76
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Calmer than you are dude, PA
Joined: 07.25.2010

Jun 23 @ 11:29 AM ET
Winger Taylor Leier at 117
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 23 @ 11:29 AM ET
Personally, I believe by July 4th, we'll pretty much have all of the answers to the plan for next season. I still think Homer is patiently deciding what Poile is going to do with Weber.
- ravishingone


That could be the case. If hes unable to land a defenseman then I can see him going after Nash or Ryan.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 11:29 AM ET
It's funny people ripping each pick or move when they are all at this point development 18 year old kids and none of us have any clue what they will turn into down the road, if you have faith in this team, the GM, & their scouts trust they know what they are doing.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 23 @ 11:29 AM ET
Taylor Leier, 13-24-37 in 72 for Portland Winterhawks

Stacked team, hopefully gets more ice-time next season and can improve offensively.

5'11, 178lbs. Decent size for his age. Another inch or so and hopefully 15lbs and he's NHL size.
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