What are the chances of the leafs trading Kessel + for Kane?

Kessel
Schenn
Maybe Colborne

for

Kane
Kjalmarsson

Seabrook has a bomb when he uses it and Leddy actually has a really good shot that pretty much goes in if it is on goal... Kind of unfortunate he doesn't get more time there
- fattybeef

But no one on the blue line is enough of a deterrent for teams to not keep four down low.

Unless a "can't miss" D-man unexpectedly falls to 18, I think they have to go G. Russians scare me though, so I'm not positive which of the big three I'd pick if they're all still there.

What I would really like to see is Stan trade #18 to Minny for Matthew Hackett, or some similar deal. Try and turn that #18 into something a little closer to an NHL ready player.
- Ogilthorpe2

I'd love to see a trade for Hackett.

The game has changed since then - much more physical and lots of boxing out down low to stop the finesse only teams (read: Hawks) from using a perimeter game on the PP.
- Return of the Roar

lots of shot blocking

Have heard nothing on their pick.

I'll just say this: Vasilevski is so good, he would not only be the goalie of the future, but possibly the very near future. I get the whole "will e come or won't he" thing, but honestly, if he's in Pittsburgh tonight, he wants to play in the nHL.

Usually that issue with Russians has to do with them having to spend time in the minors. He won't have to, or not for long.
- John Jaeckel

I hope they are smart enough to take a risk on this one..Because it seems like Vasilevski could be worth the risk..I mean they are smart enough to figure out they need a goalie prospect,considering that is their weakest position in the farm

Have heard nothing on their pick.

I'll just say this: Vasilevski is so good, he would not only be the goalie of the future, but possibly the very near future. I get the whole "will e come or won't he" thing, but honestly, if he's in Pittsburgh tonight, he wants to play in the nHL.

Usually that issue with Russians has to do with them having to spend time in the minors. He won't have to, or not for long.
- John Jaeckel

JJ,

If the Hawks fail to land Suter, or another solid D-man, do you think Sheldon Souray could be a possible short term solution? Big body, bit of a mean streak, monster point shot to help the PP. I know he's got some baggage, but if the price is right, is he someone that could help?

lots of shot blocking
- Topshelf2010

Takes a real set of stones to want to get in the way of a shot from Garrison or Chara rather than Keith or Oduya.

Nash is due 7.8 mil for next 6 years, 47mil left
Kane is 6.3 mil for next 3 years, 19 mil left

you take Nash and that contract with Hossa on books next 7 years and 5.25 mil the Hawks will be not be able to do anything in free agency not to mention paying Toews in 3 years.

Nash is a great player but his contract is one of the worst in NHL right now besides that goalie for Canucks who I hate so much I will not say or type his name.

Kane for Nash with similar contract is a no brainer but when the difference is 29 MIL not a chance Hawks take that on...
- DeepThreat

That's assuming you can't get rid of someone else on the next couple years. What if Bolland can be replaced by Kruger in a year or two? What if Sharp is still tradeable after a couple years? What if Hossa retires in a couple years? I think you try and win, as long as your not to reckless you should be able to figure it out later. Also please no more RFA mess ups. The salaries the Hawks paid RFA's before their cup was crazy, that's what led to this mess.

JJ,

If the Hawks fail to land Suter, or another solid D-man, do you think Shelon Souray could be a possible short term solution? Big body, bit of a mean streak, monster point shot to help the PP. I know he's got some baggage, but if the price is right, is he someone that could help?
- Ogilthorpe2

i think that dude is pretty slow. he's got a cannon shot. i think in specialist duty he'd be alright, but i doubt he wants to be a #6/7 d-man. He's going to want more than the $1.5 he got last year, too

What are the chances of the leafs trading Kessel + for Kane?

Kessel
Schenn
Maybe Colborne

for

Kane
Kjalmarsson
- Imgreybush

I might do that trade. But kessel and kane in all likelihood a straight swap. You will never get Burke to do Kessel+ for Kane only

I might do that trade. But kessel and kane in all likelihood a straight swap. You will never Burke to do Kessel+ for Kane only
- FourFeathers773

I would think Kane is worth more then Kessel..... no?

lots of shot blocking
- Topshelf2010

How easy is it to get into lanes to block shots if you are fighting for position with a monster power forward? There are two ways to skin this cat, the Hawks had the answers a while ago. They can do two things to fix the power play, get bigger, or get a monster PP point shot.

I think it's safe to say the Hawks are not the only team Howson is talking to, so a call to Stan from him is really neither earth shattering news, nor much of an indicator as to any move involving Nash, let alone Kane.

The interested teams are better off playing chicken with Howson and waiting him out to get more reasonable about what it would require another team to take on that albatross of a contract. Otherwise you overpay.

Seems a better strategy to overpay for the RIGHT role players to round out the holes in the roster (hello Dallas: Steve Ott?)

The solutions to the Hawks woes are not only resolvable by signing marquis players. The mad rush to pursue that strategy reeks of McD wanting a press conference buzz rather than what these decisions should be - what is best for the team.
- Return of the Roar

Love this post. JJ's thread is always well balanced and sticks to hockey. It is good site to visit.

It seems to me that the Cup winning Hawks were as tough as nails with a good portion of edginess spread through the lineup. This team has no shortage of high end skill. I do not think it has the edge of a few years ago. It seems to me that a couple of buzz saws in the $2 to $3m range each would bring more value to the Hawks tha another high skilled guy making $7.8m.

How easy is it to get into lanes to block shots if you are fighting for position with a monster power forward? There are two ways to skin this cat, the Hawks had the answers a while ago. They can do two things to fix the power play, get bigger, or get a monster PP point shot.
- droe411

Or they can do both for less money by finding the right talent.

i think that dude is pretty slow. he's got a cannon shot. i think in specialist duty he'd be alright, but i doubt he wants to be a #6/7 d-man. He's going to want more than the $1.5 he got last year, too
- eburgio

Probably right on the $. Just trying to think of some plan B options after the inevitable failure to land a big fish.

Not the same kinda contract

Hossa's contract goes from tail end of prime to end of prime to old

Nash's contract goes from prime to end of prime (in 6 years hell be 34 pretty ideal for his durability and the type of player he is)
- fattybeef

plus Nash's deal is going to look better at 7.8 mil in 6 years, when most players of his ilk will be making 10mil or more. How much do you think Kane will be making when contract is up, 8 or 9mil???? Of course, that only works if the cap goes up and who knows how the next labor agreement shakes out.

Or they can do both for less money by finding the right talent.
- Return of the Roar

I don't think anyone would mind that. Heck, maybe they find a guy who can get Keith to remember not to shot the puck into someones shin pads..............

Nash is due 7.8 mil for next 6 years, 47mil left
Kane is 6.3 mil for next 3 years, 19 mil left

you take Nash and that contract with Hossa on books next 7 years and 5.25 mil the Hawks will be not be able to do anything in free agency not to mention paying Toews in 3 years.

Nash is a great player but his contract is one of the worst in NHL right now besides that goalie for Canucks who I hate so much I will not say or type his name.

Kane for Nash with similar contract is a no brainer but when the difference is 29 MIL not a chance Hawks take that on...
- DeepThreat

My point was more that Nash will not s**t the bed like The-Goalie-We-Shall-Not-Name and would be movable for equal value later on if need be. I do not see Rick Nash letting himself slide in his skill level.

Perpetually bogus Oilers rumour monger @TreenasOil has suggested Gagner + 2nd <--> Hjalmarsson could be on the table. Thoughts?
- Morris

Seems iike an overpay for the Oil. But I believe the teams have talked/are talking

Perpetually bogus Oilers rumour monger @TreenasOil has suggested Gagner + 2nd <--> Hjalmarsson could be on the table. Thoughts?
- Morris

Do u think the Oil would do that deal? I dont, but if they did I would take it.

Will the league be the same after the lockout? Wasn't last time.
- Ogilthorpe2

That's why you trade for young players with decent skill and grit. A guy like Foligno can play any style. No matter what happens after the lockout a team with speed. And skill that can crash the net and win board battles will always succeed in any era

I would think Kane is worth more then Kessel..... no?
- Imgreybush

no. Kessel now has 4 30 goal seasons on his resume in 6 nhl seasons, with 1 80+ pt season

Kane has only 1 80+ pt season with only 1 30 goal season.

it would be a straight swap

i think that dude is pretty slow. he's got a cannon shot. i think in specialist duty he'd be alright, but i doubt he wants to be a #6/7 d-man. He's going to want more than the $1.5 he got last year, too
- eburgio

Watched a glacier lately?

Dreger claims that Kane is going nowhere, and the Hawks have not even talked to teams about moving #88. Maybe things have changed since this morning, but I just don't see the Hawks dealing him. At 23, I just don't see the Hawks dealing away somebody with his offensive ability. Kane is arguably the best passer in the NHL from the wing position. I would rather see the Hawks continue their search for a true second line center and added grit that can play the game.

+1

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- Ogilthorpe2

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