He's always competed, I was out in Columbus the past four years and saw a lot of Jacket's games. When Nash wasn't motivated he would take stupid penalties and try to agitate opposing players, never did I see him quit on his team or become uninvolved in the game. There's a reason he has had the C for so long.

As for Toews, completely different scenario. One playoff appearance over the past decade with no wins versus multiple playoff appearances and a cup. Rollpards summed it up pretty nicely I suggest you look over his post. Nash would look great in a Hawks sweater
- Midnightmarty

Agreed he's played with dic for help him with hossa and JT would look nice or swap hossa for sharp...nash would put up major numbers..he's always over 30 goals broke 40 some too ....has kane broke 40 yet
...kane past 30 goals yet....

Excellent post.

So many learned hockey observers on this site just want to get rid of players - railroad them out of town wuth no thought to what they could acquire in return or who would replace the player. Just wrap Stalberg up in newspaper like greasy fish and chips and throw him in the garbage.

I can guarantee you if Ken Holland and Mike Babcock got their hands on Stalberg they would make this guy a player who would make the Hawks regret disposing of him like kitchen waste.

Not saying he couldn't be used to acquire a player they need for another position, buy just giving up on him is ridiculous.

Meanwhile, no talent stiffs like Bollig and Mayers seem to warm the hearts of the Hawk faithful.
- RickJ

This is one of the major reasons why I want Q and the rest of the coaches fired. They have a poor track record for developing talent.

Early word out is EDM will be taking Ryan Murray with 1st overall pick. Unconfirmed for now. Columbus has also stated they will not be taking yakupov with the 2nd overall pick if he falls to them

Early word out is EDM will be taking Ryan Murray with 1st overall pick. Unconfirmed for now. Columbus has also stated they will not be taking yakupov with the 2nd overall pick if he falls to them
- FourFeathers773

That is a STEAL for the Habs

Early word out is EDM will be taking Ryan Murray with 1st overall pick. Unconfirmed for now. Columbus has also stated they will not be taking yakupov with the 2nd overall pick if he falls to them
- FourFeathers773

There's all kinds of stuff floating around. Cloutier just tweeted that the Oilers could be looking at trading down and taking Reinhart.

My bet is Edmonton goes with Yakupov.

I've got it at my Florida home and watch all of the hawk games when im there
- Maggie

save yourself from paying every year and buy a Slingbox. you can buy an hd or non hd version, price is higher for the hd one, it hooks right up to your cable or satellite box and allows you to watch all of your own channels from home. you can do everything you normally do: change the channel, watch recorded shows. one of the best purchases ive ever made

The Ottawa Bolger has a blog up about hammer and Nash
And there guys want both bad...
- southernhawk

Three way trade?! Sens get Hammer and Nash. Hawks get Brassard and Foligno. Columbus gets Kane, Stalberg, Frolik, Zibanejad, Bishop, 1st from Hawks and 1st from Sens?!

I'm just being silly guys.

Excellent post.

So many learned hockey observers on this site just want to get rid of players - railroad them out of town wuth no thought to what they could acquire in return or who would replace the player. Just wrap Stalberg up in newspaper like greasy fish and chips and throw him in the garbage.

I can guarantee you if Ken Holland and Mike Babcock got their hands on Stalberg they would make this guy a player who would make the Hawks regret disposing of him like kitchen waste.

Not saying he couldn't be used to acquire a player they need for another position, buy just giving up on him is ridiculous.

Meanwhile, no talent stiffs like Bollig and Mayers seem to warm the hearts of the Hawk faithful.
- RickJ

You make great points about Vik... He actually is a good player with probably his best days ahead of him. And for now has a very cheap cap hit. Let me throw in some more points. He is fast, can score. We have that already.. We keep him and play him with our other 4 fast non physical scorers... We aren't going anywhere. He doesn't fit here. He would fit very well with other teams that may not have the speed and offense we already have. All of this is why you deal him. Not because he is underperforming... He does have value. He hammer and some prospects can get what we need.

Not me. I like Vic. Just not on this team. Because they have enough speed, and will not coach him to play more physical.

He also happens to be the only trade chip that has obvious upside with a low cap hit.
- Return of the Roar

So tell me what you are going to trade him to acquire.

Brouwer was traded for similar fabricated reasons - he couldn't skate well enough, he didn't belong in the Top 6, he couldn't play with Toews and Kane etc, etc , etc. How did that work out - like he found a way to be a leader and contributor with Washington playing with their better players. What do we have in return - a draft choice wannabe who might play sometime down the road.

Stalberg has the size to play a physical game along the boards and he demonstrated it on a number of occasions. And then he makes one mistake and he's the 4th line right winger.

I say work hard to develop the player, not just dump him. He's got more talent under his fingernails that worthless stiffs like Carcillo and Bollig.

save yourself from paying every year and buy a Slingbox. you can buy an hd or non hd version, price is higher for the hd one, it hooks right up to your cable or satellite box and always you to watch all of your own channels from home. you can do everything you normally do: change the channel, watch recorded shows. one of the best purchases ive ever made
- hawks1921

I've been considering this too. My in-laws live in the Lockport area. I could hook it up to one of their TVs and stream the WGN games at home.

You make great points about Vik... He actually is a good player with probably his best days ahead of him. And for now has a very cheap cap hit. Let me throw in some more points. He is fast, can score. We have that already.. We keep him and play him with our other 4 fast non physical scorers... We aren't going anywhere. He doesn't fit here. He would fit very well with other teams that may not have the speed and offense we already have. All of this is why you deal him. Not because he is underperforming... He does have value. He hammer and some prospects can get what we need.
- ilinkhawk

Perfect Summation

You make great points about Vik... He actually is a good player with probably his best days ahead of him. And for now has a very cheap cap hit. Let me throw in some more points. He is fast, can score. We have that already.. We keep him and play him with our other 4 fast non physical scorers... We aren't going anywhere. He doesn't fit here. He would fit very well with other teams that may not have the speed and offense we already have. All of this is why you deal him. Not because he is underperforming... He does have value. He hammer and some prospects can get what we need.
- ilinkhawk

I will repeat the question - what are you getting back for him that improves the hockey club? I have no problem trading him, but I want something back that makes the Hawks better.

I've been considering this too. My in-laws live in the Lockport area. I could hook it up to one of their TVs and stream the WGN games at home.
- EKolb13

I live in the Lockport area. Canal days was last weekend. The most wonderful time of the year.

So tell me what you are going to trade him to acquire.

Brouwer was traded for similar fabricated reasons - he couldn't skate well enough, he didn't belong in the Top 6, he couldn't play with Toews and Kane etc, etc , etc. How did that work out - like he found a way to be a leader and contributor with Washington playing with their better players. What do we have in return - a draft choice wannabe who might play sometime down the road.

Stalberg has the size to play a physical game along the boards and he demonstrated it on a number of occasions. And then he makes one mistake and he's the 4th line right winger.

I say work hard to develop the player, not just dump him. He's got more talent under his fingernails that worthless stiffs like Carcillo and Bollig.
- RickJ

As for what you get....that Stan's job not mine. But he won't bring a one to one return. He has to be part of a package - to overpay in bodies, not cash, for the right person for that LW spot.

Yes, he COULD become a great one. He has shown flashes. But it is not a win now decision. And honestly, I have about as much faith in this coaching staff's player development skill as I do in Stan making good roster moves. He'd be personally better off in a different organization.

I live in the Lockport area. Canal days was last weekend. The most wonderful time of the year.
- fattybeef

I don't really partake in any events in the area. I just go there with my wife to visit the in-laws.

I will repeat the question - what are you getting back for him that improves the hockey club? I have no problem trading him, but I want something back that makes the Hawks better.
- RickJ

Ideally, I'd package Stalberg and Frolik to a team looking for young forwards. Addition by subtraction by getting rid of Frolik?

I'd also look to package Stalberg for Hackett or Lehner.

Stalberg, Hammer, and a pick for Brassard.

Not sure if any of these are realistic, but that's what I'd be trying to do.

I've been considering this too. My in-laws live in the Lockport area. I could hook it up to one of their TVs and stream the WGN games at home.
- EKolb13

i have cousins that live in the rockford/winnebago area and when my dad or I aren't on the road they stream the game from my house. it works great because it allows them to stream it in HD quality and use an HDMI cable from their laptop to their 60 inch tv and all the while i can watch the same TV im streaming from

As for what you get....that Stan's job not mine. But he won't bring a one to one return. He has to be part of a package - to overpay in bodies, not cash, for the right person for that LW spot.

Yes, he COULD become a great one. He has shown flashes. But it is not a win now decision. And honestly, I have about as much faith in this coaching staff's player development skill as I do in Stan making good roster moves. He'd be personally better off in a different organization.
- Return of the Roar

Sad, but true..

He's always competed, I was out in Columbus the past four years and saw a lot of Jacket's games. When Nash wasn't motivated he would take stupid penalties and try to agitate opposing players, never did I see him quit on his team or become uninvolved in the game. There's a reason he has had the C for so long.

As for Toews, completely different scenario. One playoff appearance over the past decade with no wins versus multiple playoff appearances and a cup. Rollpards summed it up pretty nicely I suggest you look over his post. Nash would look great in a Hawks sweater
- Midnightmarty

Well, the reason they gave him the C was because he was the face of the franchise and the best player on the team. Who else could they possibly have given it to, really?
I only meant to compare him to toews as far as the type of players they are. Not, their teams past achievements. Of course, theyre different.
But, just to my point...IF towes was on CBJ, do you think he would lose motivation to play? Can you really see a player like toews ever taking games off?

A similar player in a similar situation to Nash, is Iginla. Cal has been pretty bad for awhile, and most of iggys entire career. (minus their cup appearance of course).
He has also never had an elite Center to play with. I think we can all agree on that.
However, iggy still manages to avg 40-40 on avg and is the hardest working player on his club. He could have lost motivation to play there. Only star on his team. Face of the franchise. By far the best player on his team each year. Did he ever lose focus? Ever see him take shifts off? Would you ever use the word "underachiever" when it comes to iggy?

Quite frankly I hope Im completely wrong about Nash. I would love to see that guy put it all together and sit back and enjoy. My only point is everyone who loves nash is basing their attraction to him on what ifs. What if he goes to a new team? What if he plays for a contender? What if he plays with a top playmaker?

If he goes to chi, ott, phi and puts up 80pts and is dominant and focused I will gladly say I was wrong and he just needed a change of scenery. But it's not as if there isn't a basis for my argument. I have a 9 year (8 years, he did have one great year) 8 year window here to go back on. It's not as if he was hitting is potential the first few years then has dipped down over the past cpl seasons so I could say okay well he showed he could be this once already. He's been the same player for 8 years.

Maybe he changes. Maybe he doesn't. But, for everyone who would love to see him in the Indian Head sweater, let me ask this. What if he doesn't become what you think he could? What if he is the exact same player he was in CBJ? Same player as far as production and compete level. Would you be happy with what you got?

I have a feeling everyone would get frustrated pretty quickly with the 65 point, $7.8 million dollar player that has the ability for so much more.

i have cousins that live in the rockford/winnebago area and when my dad or I aren't on the road they stream the game from my house. it works great because it allows them to stream it in HD quality and use an HDMI cord from their laptop to their 60 inch tv and all the while i can watch the TV in my house at the same time
- hawks1921

I guess I could do that with my laptop and TV. Good to hear it works well.

I prefer the first. If he's on LW with Toews instead of a bruiser it'll be less than a month and Toews will be in the dark room again.
- Return of the Roar

Great point...jeez...who is Eberle's wingers? Let us come back down to planet earth and stop with the hyperbole on why a guy gets hurt. What are the numbers anyways...Stalberg played 23 and a half games with Toews all year...if that...?

Well, the reason they gave him the C was because he was the face of the franchise and the best player on the team. Who else could they possibly have given it to, really?
I only meant to compare him to toews as far as the type of players they are. Not, their teams past achievements. Of course, theyre different.
But, just to my point...IF towes was on CBJ, do you think he would lose motivation to play? Can you really see a player like toews ever taking games off?

A similar player in a similar situation to Nash, is Iginla. Cal has been pretty bad for awhile, and most of iggys entire career. (minus their cup appearance of course).
He has also never had an elite Center to play with. I think we can all agree on that.
However, iggy still manages to avg 40-40 on avg and is the hardest working player on his club. He could have lost motivation to play there. Only star on his team. Face of the franchise. By far the best player on his team each year. Did he ever lose focus? Ever see him take shifts off? Would you ever use the word "underachiever" when it comes to iggy?

Quite frankly I hope Im completely wrong about Nash. I would love to see that guy put it all together and sit back and enjoy. My only point is everyone who loves nash is basing their attraction to him on what ifs. What if he goes to a new team? What if he plays for a contender? What if he plays with a top playmaker?

If he goes to chi, ott, phi and puts up 80pts and is dominant and focused I will gladly say I was wrong and he just needed a change of scenery. But it's not as if there isn't a basis for my argument. I have a 9 year (8 years, he did have one great year) 8 year window here to go back on. It's not as if he was hitting is potential the first few years then has dipped down over the past cpl seasons so I could say okay well he showed he could be this once already. He's been the same player for 8 years.

Maybe he changes. Maybe he doesn't. But, for everyone who would love to see him in the Indian Head sweater, let me ask this. What if he doesn't become what you think he could? What if he is the exact same player he was in CBJ? Same player as far as production and compete level. Would you be happy with what you got?

I have a feeling everyone would get frustrated pretty quickly with the 65 point, $7.8 million dollar player that has the ability for so much more.
- Bhawks35

are any of your posts less than 1000 words?

Ideally, I'd package Stalberg and Frolik to a team looking for young forwards. Addition by subtraction by getting rid of Frolik?

I'd also look to package Stalberg for Hackett or Lehner.

Stalberg, Hammer, and a pick for Brassard.

Not sure if any of these are realistic, but that's what I'd be trying to do.
- coldsteelonice

Yup. I could live with a very good goaltending prospect like Lehner in return for Stalberg because I don't want a goalie drafted with a 1st round pick.

Brassard not likely to happen inter-division.

I could also live with getting another right handed shot Dman like a Cody Franson although Burke probably wouldn't want Stalberg back.

I guess I could do that with my laptop and TV. Good to hear it works well.
- EKolb13

some people claim it's hard to setup but i had no issues. i just followed the instructions and it worked perfect

Well, the reason they gave him the C was because he was the face of the franchise and the best player on the team. Who else could they possibly have given it to, really?
I only meant to compare him to toews as far as the type of players they are. Not, their teams past achievements. Of course, theyre different.
But, just to my point...IF towes was on CBJ, do you think he would lose motivation to play? Can you really see a player like toews ever taking games off?

A similar player in a similar situation to Nash, is Iginla. Cal has been pretty bad for awhile, and most of iggys entire career. (minus their cup appearance of course).
He has also never had an elite Center to play with. I think we can all agree on that.
However, iggy still manages to avg 40-40 on avg and is the hardest working player on his club. He could have lost motivation to play there. Only star on his team. Face of the franchise. By far the best player on his team each year. Did he ever lose focus? Ever see him take shifts off? Would you ever use the word "underachiever" when it comes to iggy?

Quite frankly I hope Im completely wrong about Nash. I would love to see that guy put it all together and sit back and enjoy. My only point is everyone who loves nash is basing their attraction to him on what ifs. What if he goes to a new team? What if he plays for a contender? What if he plays with a top playmaker?

If he goes to chi, ott, phi and puts up 80pts and is dominant and focused I will gladly say I was wrong and he just needed a change of scenery. But it's not as if there isn't a basis for my argument. I have a 9 year (8 years, he did have one great year) 8 year window here to go back on. It's not as if he was hitting is potential the first few years then has dipped down over the past cpl seasons so I could say okay well he showed he could be this once already. He's been the same player for 8 years.

Maybe he changes. Maybe he doesn't. But, for everyone who would love to see him in the Indian Head sweater, let me ask this. What if he doesn't become what you think he could? What if he is the exact same player he was in CBJ? Same player as far as production and compete level. Would you be happy with what you got?

I have a feeling everyone would get frustrated pretty quickly with the 65 point, $7.8 million dollar player that has the ability for so much more.
- Bhawks35

If he's a 65-70 point player, then he gives you the same production as Kane. Except he is much bigger and stronger and hits people. So you're not really worse off, except for paying $1.5MM more. But, Kane will be making the same if not more than Nash in 3 years so you have to factor that in too.

Kane for Nash straight up makes the Hawks better. The question is, if you have decided to trade Kane, would you rather get multiple pieces? I'd personally take the elite player, but can understand the argument for multiple very good players over one great player.