Its the years, not the $. 10 years is way too long and takes him all the way to 34.
- Gunner Staal

or the possibility that he really wants to head to carolina

I don't even want Staal anymore.. he turns down that kind of money... he has some kind of agenda of his own...
- JVince117

Staal is great if they can sign him when he is a UFA.

I would not give up even a pick for him prior to that point.

He's perfect for Buffalo if they are going to roll 4 lines and go with the 3 center system with Hodgson and Ennis because he's not a true number 1, and neither are Hodgson or Ennis.

I don't even want Staal anymore.. he turns down that kind of money... he has some kind of agenda of his own...
- JVince117

I would be nervous to give up a bunch of assets to only have him for 1 year. That was the same reason I was worried about the Getzlaf rumor during the season. In some ways getting him would be nice, but if I'm giving up a large piece of some sort, I want a guarantee he's here longer than 1 year after the trade.

Didn't Darcy say... "we want a forward.. but if a solid top 4 caliber d-man is there we would take him too"
- JVince117

I believe they will take a D at 12th. Can we expect this quote from Darcy after the draft is complete, "We got very strong in the defensive position because of the defensive depth in the draft. We will continue to look at ways to acquire some help in the middle as the asking price at the draft was too high. The market will open up during the summer and we expect to be active."

Roy has been in the league 8 years, and has had 80 points once. You sound like Garth. If Roy is an 80 point center, we should just keep him then.
- Powerslave

OK, even if he isn't an 80 point guy, I think he's more then adequate to play the role of a third line center. Believe me, I'm no Roy fan at all but If I had Crosby and Malkin as my first two centers, I would keep Roy as the third liner in a second! And who says Staal wouldn't sign in Buffalo? Maybe he did say he'd only play in Carolina but I haven't seen it yet. If so then I'm wrong and accept my apology. Now how I see it Pittsburgh gets a center who could thrive playing on a third line against other teams lesser lines. They get a # 12 draft pick, and a D man there looking for. If I'm the Pens and I have Stall that don't want to be there playing third fiddle and get all that in return, then i would give this a serious thought. But you know what opinions are like

I would be nervous to give up a bunch of assets to only have him for 1 year. That was the same reason I was worried about the Getzlaf rumor during the season. In some ways getting him would be nice, but if I'm giving up a large piece of some sort, I want a guarantee he's here longer than 1 year after the trade.
- HonkFortheGoose

i think that any trade for Getzlaf or Staal need to include a conditional pick change of what we give them if they don't resign.. or we get a 3rd rounder back or something if he doesn't sign..

For the amount of assets given up for 1 year of service.. it would severely savage our future.

He definitely looks like Shrek

i speculated either mcnabb or pysyk would need to be in the mix...

from c-bus perspective, if they could get one of those two plus a potential top-pairing d-man at #12, that in addition to whatever else the sabres will give up would make for a pretty good trade...especially if they consider mcnabb or pysyk to be on par with ryan murray
- b0s0o1

I get the feeling Darcy isn't going to want to give up McNabb or Pysyk only because he keeps talking about how they want to build around Ennis and Hodgson. If that's the case, he's going to be keeping the young guys and looking for new homes for the older guys. I came to the conclusion the other day as well that they won't be trading Pysyk any time soon because he shoots right and that's what they've been looking for. He's not a guarantee at this point, but we only have 1 other guy that shoots right, and it's Myers.

Its the years, not the $. 10 years is way too long and takes him all the way to 34.
- Gunner Staal

I get that line of thinking but I don't truly understand it.

Where is there a guarantee that after an upcoming, let's say 4 to 5 year deal at $6M per, that he is automatically going to get another 5 year deal for say $7M or more?

That's not a given. Not even close. Not for any player.
Especially for a player that is very good but not great.

If I were in his shoes, I would be taking the 10 year deal for $60M and be very happy with all that money guaranteed for the rest of my life.

He definitely looks like Shrek
- Gunner Staal

A few years ago there was a pick with crosby as donkey side by side with that pic

I so wish I had book marked it

I get the feeling Darcy isn't going to want to give up McNabb or Pysyk only because he keeps talking about how they want to build around Ennis and Hodgson. If that's the case, he's going to be keeping the young guys and looking for new homes for the older guys. I came to the conclusion the other day as well that they won't be trading Pysyk any time soon because he shoots right and that's what they've been looking for. He's not a guarantee at this point, but we only have 1 other guy that shoots right, and it's Myers.
- HonkFortheGoose

Right on with everything you said Goose.

I believe they will take a D at 12th. Can we expect this quote from Darcy after the draft is complete, "We got very strong in the defensive position because of the defensive depth in the draft. We will continue to look at ways to acquire some help in the middle as the asking price at the draft was too high. The market will open up during the summer and we expect to be active."
- buffalokb

I'm not a prospect guy once so ever... so I went to TSN.ca to read up a little...

Ceci is ranked 14th best on the board.. 6'3 207 is great size for a young kid.. and having 17G/60pts is very nice..

How many years til he would be in Rochester?

I get the feeling Darcy isn't going to want to give up McNabb or Pysyk only because he keeps talking about how they want to build around Ennis and Hodgson. If that's the case, he's going to be keeping the young guys and looking for new homes for the older guys. I came to the conclusion the other day as well that they won't be trading Pysyk any time soon because he shoots right and that's what they've been looking for. He's not a guarantee at this point, but we only have 1 other guy that shoots right, and it's Myers.
- HonkFortheGoose

Brennan and Schiestel are good enough prospects if a team wants D help

I get the feeling Darcy isn't going to want to give up McNabb or Pysyk only because he keeps talking about how they want to build around Ennis and Hodgson. If that's the case, he's going to be keeping the young guys and looking for new homes for the older guys. I came to the conclusion the other day as well that they won't be trading Pysyk any time soon because he shoots right and that's what they've been looking for. He's not a guarantee at this point, but we only have 1 other guy that shoots right, and it's Myers.
- HonkFortheGoose

One left hand dominant guy in the d-corps..

I think that this team is gonna be built around Ennis, Foligno, Hodgson, Myers, McNabb, and Pysyk.

i am not sold on Enroth being in the true "long-term" plans yet. You don't exactly hear Ruff or Regier coming out saying "this kid has a great future for the Sabres.. he has all the tools we look for" kind of stuff that makes me think they love him.

Can't say any of us are surprised in your offer Garth. Roy / Sekera and some draft pick.

Apparently , Roy/Sekera are your solution to every trade.

Let me guess , Roy/Sekera, first and second for Crosby and Malkin right ?

Don't you think you tend to overvalue these guys a little too much. Roy has been in play for a while now, but obviously no one's buying. What exactly does Sekera offer? Just because he did well in the worlds? different game over there.

If you want to get players like Staal, Nash , Parise etc.. don't you think you need to start mentioning guys like McNabb, Brennan, Foligno, just to name a few.

Spare us with the whole Luke Adam thing too, he's a minus player , why would the Pens give up one of the better defensive forwards to bring in a risk?

Let the Sabres fans do your writing for you, they know this team and the players way better than you ever will.

Brennan and Schiestel are good enough prospects if a team wants D help
- homiedclown

I don't think they're gonna get much for Schiestel. Brennan is ready to make the jump, so he can definitely make the jump now. Schiestel has had too many injuries that have derailed his development.

Is the only reason why people are wearing of Grigorenko is because he is actually 20 and not 18??

40 goals/84 pts at 6'3 200lbs already...

I don't think they're gonna get much for Schiestel. Brennan is ready to make the jump, so he can definitely make the jump now. Schiestel has had too many injuries that have derailed his development.
- HonkFortheGoose

Brennan I am fine trading.. he didn't really do anything with Buffalo that I stood back and said "hes got it... he has a future"

I didn't really think he would ever be better than a 4/5 d-man in his career.

I'm not a prospect guy once so ever... so I went to TSN.ca to read up a little...

Ceci is ranked 14th best on the board.. 6'3 207 is great size for a young kid.. and having 17G/60pts is very nice..

How many years til he would be in Rochester?
- JVince117

I think if the sabres take a d man in the first round, it would be Finn if he fell to us at 21 or maybe Morgan Rielly if he falls to 12

One left hand dominant guy in the d-corps..

I think that this team is gonna be built around Ennis, Foligno, Hodgson, Myers, McNabb, and Pysyk.

i am not sold on Enroth being in the true "long-term" plans yet. You don't exactly hear Ruff or Regier coming out saying "this kid has a great future for the Sabres.. he has all the tools we look for" kind of stuff that makes me think they love him.
- JVince117

To be honest, the part I like about Enroth is that he doesn't get easily rattled. He plays with ice in his veins. He also sees the play develop better than most goalies, but he has to. He's good at seeing the puck and even though he's small, he uses it to his advantage. He crouches down when he's being screened to see around the guys in front of him. He's very rarely out of position and his movements are very precise. Not 1 ounce of extra energy is exerted.

I think if he's given the right amount of games he can elevate his game another level, but Ruff is terrible at goalie management so that'll never happen.

Is the only reason why people are wearing of Grigorenko is because he is actually 20 and not 18??

40 goals/84 pts at 6'3 200lbs already...
- JVince117

OK, even if he isn't an 80 point guy, I think he's more then adequate to play the role of a third line center. Believe me, I'm no Roy fan at all but If I had Crosby and Malkin as my first two centers, I would keep Roy as the third liner in a second! And who says Staal wouldn't sign in Buffalo? Maybe he did say he'd only play in Carolina but I haven't seen it yet. If so then I'm wrong and accept my apology. Now how I see it Pittsburgh gets a center who could thrive playing on a third line against other teams lesser lines. They get a # 12 draft pick, and a D man there looking for. If I'm the Pens and I have Stall that don't want to be there playing third fiddle and get all that in return, then i would give this a serious thought. But you know what opinions are like
- sabrescupbound

I agree that Roy could be a good 3rd line center, but they'll probably ask for a dman other than suckera. Someone with some talent which I don't think Buffalo should give up. Also keep in mind, Roy's kind of a head case. Do you think he'll be happy playing on a 3rd line role? he can be a pouter and I don't think ripping into your coach on exit day helped his reputation in the league.

, but Ruff is terrible at goalie management so that'll never happen.
- HonkFortheGoose

I think I have heard that before, recently

I think I have heard that before, recently
- homiedclown

Hmmm...Kevin Sylvester may actually be worse on the radio than he was on the Sabres broadcast.