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Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Jun 21 @ 9:41 AM ET
Team Defense + Happy Goalie = Happy Universe
- phi1671

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 21 @ 9:41 AM ET
woe...that's deep
- isaiah520



RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 21 @ 9:46 AM ET
I was far from happy with Bryz's play this season, but I have every confidence that he will return to form next season.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 21 @ 9:48 AM ET
There were no pathetic excuses offered. Again, it was staying positive and supporting the player. And most who continued to support Bryzgalov acknowledged that he had to get better, and play better.
- MJL


You know what i found amazing? In the Pitt series when Fleury was playing bad, they were cheering for him trying to boost his moral. We choose to focus on the negatives and boo a struggling player to the point where he is bood out of town. WE give no second chances here and we wonder why we havent had a goalie in such a long time. Every goalie struggles and has bad years.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 21 @ 9:50 AM ET
My theory is what if Parise decides to sign with Nashville and then Suter stays?
- Philly1980


If Parise signs with Nashville, and Suter decides to stay, then Nashville will almost have to trade Weber to make the money fit. However, I don't think the Flyers are going to wait until July 1 to find out if they will be able to trade for Weber or not, so unless Nashville already knows they can get Suter to sign, I dont think they will trade Weber before then.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 21 @ 9:50 AM ET
If Parise signs with Nashville, and Suter decides to stay, then Nashville will almost have to trade Weber to make the money fit. However, I don't think the Flyers are going to wait until July 1 to find out if they will be able to trade for Weber or not, so unless Nashville already knows they can get Suter to sign, I dont think they will trade Weber before then.
- RooNosHockey


Just an interesting scenario i came up with. I think your right in that i dont see weber being traded before July 1st.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 21 @ 9:51 AM ET
You know what i found amazing? In the Pitt series when Fleury was playing bad, they were cheering for him trying to boost his moral. We choose to focus on the negatives and boo a struggling player to the point where he is bood out of town. WE give no second chances here and we wonder why we havent had a goalie in such a long time. Every goalie struggles and has bad years.
- Philly1980


It's just Philadelphia's nature.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 21 @ 9:54 AM ET
Defense and goaltending wins championships. In the playoffs the games are much tighter. I'm not concerned with scoring but you can't be in the bottom 10 in GAA and expect to win a title, IMO.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 21 @ 9:56 AM ET
You know what i found amazing? In the Pitt series when Fleury was playing bad, they were cheering for him trying to boost his moral. We choose to focus on the negatives and boo a struggling player to the point where he is bood out of town. WE give no second chances here and we wonder why we havent had a goalie in such a long time. Every goalie struggles and has bad years.
- Philly1980

One of the reasons I HATE Eagles fans... They never rally behind guys... and its now one of the reasons I am starting to HATE casual Flyers fans.

People are so completely ignorant to the actual sports. They see these guys and think they are immortals, machines, not human, incapable of mistake, but when they have a bad game, or are not playing up to expectations.. its like they are damaged goods.

JvR is an example. We draft him and people are pumped. He decided to go to college (his personal choice I might add), and people flip poop. How selfish is he to wanna go to college.. thats not good for his future or our team.

What people dont think about is the fact that the guy was a kid, who maybe wasnt exactly mentally ready for the travel.. and every day grind that is professional hockey.

But now he is coming off of a disappointing season, and people talk about him like he is the second coming of Alexander Daigle. Jesus ppl.. sit back and relax.

I have idiots on my hockey team who honestly think that if we had gone with Leighton this year we would have beat NJ... How can ppl be so (frank)ing ignorant to the actual proceedings?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 21 @ 9:58 AM ET
If Parise signs with Nashville, and Suter decides to stay, then Nashville will almost have to trade Weber to make the money fit. However, I don't think the Flyers are going to wait until July 1 to find out if they will be able to trade for Weber or not, so unless Nashville already knows they can get Suter to sign, I dont think they will trade Weber before then.
- RooNosHockey

I just dont understand why Nashville would trade him..
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Jun 21 @ 10:01 AM ET
One of the reasons I HATE Eagles fans... They never rally behind guys... and its now one of the reasons I am starting to HATE casual Flyers fans.

People are so completely ignorant to the actual sports. They see these guys and think they are immortals, machines, not human, incapable of mistake, but when they have a bad game, or are not playing up to expectations.. its like they are damaged goods.

JvR is an example. We draft him and people are pumped. He decided to go to college (his personal choice I might add), and people flip poop. How selfish is he to wanna go to college.. thats not good for his future or our team.

What people dont think about is the fact that the guy was a kid, who maybe wasnt exactly mentally ready for the travel.. and every day grind that is professional hockey.

But now he is coming off of a disappointing season, and people talk about him like he is the second coming of Alexander Daigle. Jesus ppl.. sit back and relax.

I have idiots on my hockey team who honestly think that if we had gone with Leighton this year we would have beat NJ... How can ppl be so (frank)ing ignorant to the actual proceedings?

- jak521


truly a lot of us forget the human factor

Leighton and flipping poop...
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 21 @ 10:02 AM ET
You know what i found amazing? In the Pitt series when Fleury was playing bad, they were cheering for him trying to boost his moral. We choose to focus on the negatives and boo a struggling player to the point where he is bood out of town. WE give no second chances here and we wonder why we havent had a goalie in such a long time. Every goalie struggles and has bad years.
- Philly1980

I sure MAF's cup winning performances, overall record and lack of excuses played a role...
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 21 @ 10:04 AM ET
One of the reasons I HATE Eagles fans... They never rally behind guys... and its now one of the reasons I am starting to HATE casual Flyers fans.

People are so completely ignorant to the actual sports. They see these guys and think they are immortals, machines, not human, incapable of mistake, but when they have a bad game, or are not playing up to expectations.. its like they are damaged goods.

JvR is an example. We draft him and people are pumped. He decided to go to college (his personal choice I might add), and people flip poop. How selfish is he to wanna go to college.. thats not good for his future or our team.

What people dont think about is the fact that the guy was a kid, who maybe wasnt exactly mentally ready for the travel.. and every day grind that is professional hockey.

But now he is coming off of a disappointing season, and people talk about him like he is the second coming of Alexander Daigle. Jesus ppl.. sit back and relax.

I have idiots on my hockey team who honestly think that if we had gone with Leighton this year we would have beat NJ... How can ppl be so (frank)ing ignorant to the actual proceedings?

- jak521


Flyers fans, in the playoffs this year, for the most part were just sitting there casually watching the game like it was the middle of January. At least it seemed like that from my couch....Fans in previous years put these people to shame.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jun 21 @ 10:05 AM ET
with nash, once you trade for him, he is yours, no guarantee of parise wanting to sign/play here....minnesota is on the record for saying that no one will be able to match there offer
- mydoglicks

mdl dropping truth bombs like whoa
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 21 @ 10:09 AM ET
I sure MAF's cup winning performances, overall record and lack of excuses played a role...
- isaiah520


Bryz overall record is actually pretty good, and he also has a cup.

Ilya Nikolayevich Bryzgalov (Russian: Илья́ Никола́евич Брызга́лов; born June 22, 1980) is a Russian professional ice hockey goaltender for the Philadelphia Flyers of the National Hockey League (NHL). He was selected in the second round of the 2000 NHL Entry Draft, 44th overall, by the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim.
In 2006–07 NHL season, Bryzgalov won the Stanley Cup with the Anaheim Ducks. Internationally, he has earned a Bronze Medal with Russia at the 2002 Winter Olympics, and a Silver Medal at the 2000 World Junior Championships. Ilya also competed in the 2004 World Cup of Hockey, and is a 3-time Olympian. He helped Team Russia as starting goaltender win back to back Gold Medals at the 2009 World Ice Hockey Championships, making them ranked number one in the world. He was also runner-up for the Vezina Trophy and a top 5 finalist for the Hart Trophy in the 2009–10 NHL season.

Most flyers fans are uneducated booing him like that at home games. Im not defending his play last year but lets not dismiss him as a scrub either.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 21 @ 10:16 AM ET
I just dont understand why Nashville would trade him..
- jak521


3 Reasons. First if they resign Suter then they might not be able to afford both. Second, The reason they would resign Suter over Weber is because if Suter walks, Nashville gets nothing back, but if they sign Suter, then Weber can get them a big time upgrade on offense, and future picks. And Finally because Weber has not resigned yet, he may not want to stay in Nashville, meaning he will only sign a 1 year deal, and become UFA next season. By then Weber's trade value will be at least half of what it is now.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 21 @ 10:17 AM ET
Flyers fans, in the playoffs this year, for the most part were just sitting there casually watching the game like it was the middle of January. At least it seemed like that from my couch....Fans in previous years put these people to shame.
- Philly1980


They didn't have much to cheer about in the NJ series. But they were great in the Pitt series...
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 21 @ 10:18 AM ET
They didn't have much to cheer about in the NJ series. But they were great in the Pitt series...
- RooNosHockey


I think a little cheer when a team is down can go a long way.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 21 @ 10:21 AM ET
is that you Bryz? Reese is waiting for you....
- phi1671


LOL... well I wish I had his coin!..

I think he's going to be fine going forward personally.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 21 @ 10:23 AM ET
Twitter is calm, hockeybuzz is calm....i guess theres a storm coming ....
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 21 @ 10:26 AM ET
if we do trade for nash, wouldnt that get the attention of the ufa's to sign with us? also not resigning jagr tells me we have a plan for a top rw, being kane, nash, ryan and so on
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 21 @ 10:28 AM ET
3 Reasons. First if they resign Suter then they might not be able to afford both. Second, The reason they would resign Suter over Weber is because if Suter walks, Nashville gets nothing back, but if they sign Suter, then Weber can get them a big time upgrade on offense, and future picks. And Finally because Weber has not resigned yet, he may not want to stay in Nashville, meaning he will only sign a 1 year deal, and become UFA next season. By then Weber's trade value will be at least half of what it is now.
- RooNosHockey

I only understand and agree with the bold.

1- Why, if it was between Weber and Suter, re-sign Suter? I understand you could trade Weber and get a huge package, but you would be giving up the best d-man in the game. The talent gap between Weber and Suter is enormous.. Why play second fiddle.

2- Who says Suter is even re-signing?

3- If you were to re-sign Weber on a one year deal... wouldnt his stock likely be higher around the trade deadline?
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 21 @ 10:28 AM ET
Twitter is calm, hockeybuzz is calm....i guess theres a storm coming ....
- Philly1980


shhhh
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 21 @ 10:29 AM ET
if we do trade for nash, wouldnt that get the attention of the ufa's to sign with us? also not resigning jagr tells me we have a plan for a top rw, being kane, nash, ryan and so on
- mydoglicks

Or they have that player already on the team.


If we were to trade for Nash.. it would likely prevent us from going after top UFA's, because we would be just about as close to the cap as possible.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Jun 21 @ 10:29 AM ET
if we do trade for nash, wouldnt that get the attention of the ufa's to sign with us? also not resigning jagr tells me we have a plan for a top rw, being kane, nash, ryan and so on
- mydoglicks


I can assure you 99% that Patrick Kane is not coming to Philadelphia.
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